France is in chaos .

[Michael_W 11]

2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

That is not how the French work.

 

France is a republic because over 200 years ago they rose up and executed their ruling class. When they are not happy with something they take to the streets to change things.

 

Tomorrow's French newspapers will be discussing the politics behind the protests not writing Sun and Mail style 'Enemy Within!' headlines and editorials.

The chances of anything happening on British streets in the near future will be centred around Brexit, who do you think would potentially cause the most problems for you and the Guardianista to be disgusted, the right wing working class Leavers or the middle class socialist Remainers ?

[Mister Gee 812]

14 minutes ago, Michael_W said:

The chances of anything happening on British streets in the near future will be centred around Brexit, who do you think would potentially cause the most problems for you and the Guardianista to be disgusted, the right wing working class Leavers or the middle class socialist Remainers ?

What about us left wing working class remainers who don't read the Guardian?

Edited December 9, 2018 by Mister Gee

[*_ash_* 88]

3 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

That is not how the French work.

 

France is a republic because over 200 years ago they rose up and executed their ruling class. When they are not happy with something they take to the streets to change things.

 

Tomorrow's French newspapers will be discussing the politics behind the protests not writing Sun and Mail style 'Enemy Within!' headlines and editorials.

Yes they work differently to us (sarcasm), here a riot is caused by people rising up to the ruling class (or people with posh accents) - in reality, it ends up with a load of thugs, same as here. At least some start off with good intentions though, and as always some ***** join in. Same as UK riots, same everywhere in the world.

 

see below

43 minutes ago, Mister Gee said:

What about us left wing working class remainers who don't read the Guardian?

In here, that's considered as likely as a brexiteer saying they don't read (or aren't influenced) by the Sun or the Mail. Sorry Mister Gee, you don't exist, your entire life has been a dream. (slightly copying some total recall lines) (lol smiley that doesn't work at moment)

 

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jesting a bit there,

 

but I've long said and long been told I'm wrong in here, but there is little different between left and right politics, but also little difference between far-left and far-right politics too. I think the political spectrum is far more 'round' than left/right. Far end views and non-far end views is just overlooked, so everyone ends up considered in one pool or the another, when it's no where near reality.

Edited December 9, 2018 by *_ash_*

[janie48 95]

4 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

That is not how the French work.

 

France is a republic because over 200 years ago they rose up and executed their ruling class. When they are not happy with something they take to the streets to change things.

 

Yes I'm quite aware of their history, but we're discussing modern day times. 

 

That kind of mayhem on the streets in a civilised society is totally unnecessary in this day and age. 

 

That isn't to say I'm against  peaceful protests where there is a need to draw attention to exploitation and social injustice etc,  but certainly not to the extreme degree that was demonstrated in France. 

 

 

 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

2 hours ago, Michael_W said:

who do you think would potentially cause the most problems for you and the Guardianista to be disgusted, the right wing working class Leavers

If today's poor turnout in London is anything to go by, right wing working class leavers will simply serve as comedy value to most normal people and a source of easy overtime for the Met.

 

The problem with the far right in the UK is that when they reach a critical mass they all start falling out over money and positions of influence. 

 

Brexit will be no different. Its demise will be greeted by a huge sigh of relief by most people and will once again revert to being an obsession of a few cranks, xenophobes and racists.

 

[Michael_W 11]

16 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

If today's poor turnout in London is anything to go by, right wing working class leavers will simply serve as comedy value to most normal people and a source of easy overtime for the Met.

 

The problem with the far right in the UK is that when they reach a critical mass they all start falling out over money and positions of influence. 

 

Brexit will be no different. Its demise will be greeted by a huge sigh of relief by most people and will once again revert to being an obsession of a few cranks, xenophobes and racists.

 

You need to get out more fella, the obsession is exclusively from people like you, your postings on here are a dead give away, do you think everyone right of the oaf that is Corbyn is an extremist ?

The far right as you call them has a lot of sympathisers who I would label as normal people, people who would not consider for one moment of going on a march with UKIP, Tommy Robinson or anyone else because they just get on with their everyday lives ….. do you struggle to understand that concept from behind your keyboard ?

[Top Cats Hat 10]

11 minutes ago, Michael_W said:

The far right as you call them has a lot of sympathisers who I would label as normal people, 

You would, but I doubt many would agree with you. 

 

The far right have never gained much traction in the UK and if you think that Brexit is the magic issue which will see its fortunes improve you are going to be disappointed. If on the eve of the demise of Brexit, that bunch of clowns was the best the right could manage to get out, it doesn't look good for them.

 

I believe that some of the Wee Tommy Robinson fanboy marches attracted more support! 

[woodview 10]

20 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

 

Brexit will be no different. Its demise will be greeted by a huge sigh of relief by most people and will once again revert to being an obsession of a few cranks, xenophobes and racists.

 

Brexit was voted for by a majority of people, not just the types you like to constantly highlight.

The far right will gain from comments like yours. Normal people have been excluded from mainstream politics, and are sick of being ignored or insulted. Scummy organisations will exploit that. Brexit wasn't just a vote on that issue, it was an expression of peoples' disillusionment with the sorry state of our parties.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

3 minutes ago, woodview said:

The far right will gain from comments like yours. Normal people have been excluded from mainstream politics

 

Apart from 16-18 year olds, how on earth are normal people being excluded from mainstream politics?

 

The far right will gain very little from this whichever way it goes. Politically it has never resonated  with the British people and organisationally, even when handed something on a plate they end up fighting with each other and end up dropping the ball. Look at the damage Wee Tommy Robinson's involvement with UKIP has already done when they should be at the crest of a wave with no Brexit now looking the most likely outcome. Where is the Brexit Betrayal fightback outside of Rees-Mogg and his little band of Tory MPs

 

Feeling disillusioned will not be helped by leaving the EU which will not only hit many leave voters first economically, but will  make them feel even more disillusioned that they have been cheated. Given a choice between feeling cheated and being reasonably well off and feeling cheated and facing financial hardship, possible food shortages and the NHS unable to supply many drugs most people would prefer the former.

[mort 10]

Back on topic please. 

[woodview 10]

This is an interesting opinion piece on the 'yellow 'vests' by Kenan Malik in the Guardian.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/09/fear-cultural-loss-fuelling-anger-with-elites-across-europe

 

The article will be relevant to 3 or 3 prolific posters on here.

[Anna B 1,401]

I think the question is, how do we get politicians to listen to the ordinary, 'little' people?

 

To say 'we live in a democracy' is not the answer - as being required to stick a cross in a box once every 5 years and then being totally ignored the rest of the time, is not democracy, it's an excuse for democracy. . . in other words a con, and people are beginning to wake up and realise it.

 

The working class have had to fight every step of the way to gain ground, it's the only way they have seen real, beneficial change. But now it's being eroded by a class of neoliberals who are quietly dismantling rights and safeguards which were so hard won, and the gap between the richest and the poorest widens. The French are fighting back and letting their displeasure be shown in no uncertain terms, and Macron has moved. Wages , taxes down.

 

We on the other hand are grumblers and the writers of very stiff letters to the Guardian. Consequently  we have some of the worst social reforms in Europe, as the elite trample all over us.     

Edited December 12, 2018 by Anna B