A new influx of boat people from france.

[Broakham 10]

Once they fail to claim asylum in the first safe country they  cease to be refugees and become economic migrants.

[tzijlstra 11]

1 hour ago, Eric_Collins said:

It is well established route to settling in the UK is car washing businesses. Once entering the UK the Migrants (not refugees as the migrants are safe in France from war and horror, UK is the cherry on the cake with free money) are employed by the Gang master in a said carwash which gains them the all precious Nation Insurance Number. This then entitles them to jewel in the crown of hard earned benefits that the Gang Master takes a nice slice of ( men arrested in Manchester in the alleged boat smuggling will be alleged gang masters ).

 

This was all well documented from the mouths of migrants in the channel 5 program about the great British benefit system, this is on Catch Up if you'd like to view how the carwash scam works.

Refugees, real examples. Try again?

[Eric_Collins 11]

19 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Did the Channel 5 documentary detail the psychological trauma of some of the refugees & how they became traumatised? 

Bet it didn't.

Channel 5 is a scummy, crumby tv station.

Yes they seemed very distraught with how traumatic genorouse we were and how we were throwing money at them. The saddest thing was all those males being torn apart from their women folk they had all left in war zones while they consoled themselves with life on benefits. 

 

Thats a point , why do we only see strapping blokes fleeing war zones ? In world war 2 we saw old people , kids escaping while the men fought the Germans. Today we are seeing men who should be fighting these baddies in places like Syria when in fact it’s the women folk cos the men are all yellow belly fairies.  

 

To me this country is crazy , it’s harder to smuggle in 200 cigeretts than it is 200 illegal migrants. 

Just now, tzijlstra said:

Refugees, real examples. Try again?

Migrants , refugees are safe in the first country they land in. They are then not refugees then then become migrants it they choose to travel through safe countries. 

 

A man  from Syria will no doubt gone through Greece or Germany then Poland to France and then waited to jump a ship or lorry. That is not someone fleeing war that is someone finding the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. 

[Eric_Collins 11]

6 minutes ago, tzijlstra said:

Refugees, real examples. Try again?

Here’s the official term 

 

The main difference is choice. Simply speaking, a migrant is someone who chooses to move, and a refugee is someone who has been forced from their home.

 

[RJRB 688]

1 hour ago, Eric_Collins said:

Here’s the official term 

 

The main difference is choice. Simply speaking, a migrant is someone who chooses to move, and a refugee is someone who has been forced from their home.

 

But there are migrants all over the world who move from one “safe” area to another ,very often in the hopes of improving their lot.

Its a very natural thing and doesn’t even necessarily mean going from one country to another.

Work,wages,climate.So many reasons and where’s the problem with that,or more significantly,how are you going to control it.

As for only strapping men fleeing the war zones,have you seen the refugee camps?

[tzijlstra 11]

8 hours ago, Eric_Collins said:

Here’s the official term 

 

The main difference is choice. Simply speaking, a migrant is someone who chooses to move, and a refugee is someone who has been forced from their home.

 

Ok, so give me real examples of migrants from, for example, Syria, Afghanistan or South Sudan setting up a carwash?

[Mister M 1,625]

8 hours ago, Eric_Collins said:

Yes they seemed very distraught with how traumatic genorouse we were and how we were throwing money at them. The saddest thing was all those males being torn apart from their women folk they had all left in war zones while they consoled themselves with life on benefits. 

 

Thats a point , why do we only see strapping blokes fleeing war zones ? In world war 2 we saw old people , kids escaping while the men fought the Germans. Today we are seeing men who should be fighting these baddies in places like Syria when in fact it’s the women folk cos the men are all yellow belly fairies.  

 

To me this country is crazy , it’s harder to smuggle in 200 cigeretts than it is 200 illegal migrants. 

Migrants , refugees are safe in the first country they land in. They are then not refugees then then become migrants it they choose to travel through safe countries. 

 

A man  from Syria will no doubt gone through Greece or Germany then Poland to France and then waited to jump a ship or lorry. That is not someone fleeing war that is someone finding the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. 

Yes and Greece, Germany and France have taken many more seeking asylum in recent years than the UK. I don't suppose the documentary mentioned that in between showing the hordes of immigrants shopping at Fortnum & Masons or wherever it is they're supposed to get their groceries from 

Edited January 7, 2019 by Mister M

[Cyclone 10]

9 hours ago, Broakham said:

Once they fail to claim asylum in the first safe country they  cease to be refugees and become economic migrants.

That's simply not true.  But perhaps you should push for refugees to be fairly distributed across all the EU after they claim asylum anywhere.

As previously discussed this will increase our number of refugees significantly.

10 hours ago, Eric_Collins said:

It is well established route to settling in the UK is car washing businesses. Once entering the UK the Migrants (not refugees as the migrants are safe in France from war and horror, UK is the cherry on the cake with free money) are employed by the Gang master in a said carwash which gains them the all precious Nation Insurance Number. This then entitles them to jewel in the crown of hard earned benefits that the Gang Master takes a nice slice of ( men arrested in Manchester in the alleged boat smuggling will be alleged gang masters ).

 

This was all well documented from the mouths of migrants in the channel 5 program about the great British benefit system, this is on Catch Up if you'd like to view how the carwash scam works.

Are you (or does this program) claim that illegal migrants (not refugees) can get a national insurance number?

[Penistone999 10]

15 hours ago, Broakham said:

Once they fail to claim asylum in the first safe country they  cease to be refugees and become economic migrants.

Correct ........

[melthebell 863]

6 minutes ago, Penistone999 said:

Correct ........

no it isnt, its complete and utter crap

 

dictionary definition of a refugee

refugee

/rɛfjʊˈdʒiː/

noun

 

1. a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

   "tens of thousands of refugees fled their homes"

   synonyms:

   displaced person, DP, escapee, fugitive, asylum seeker, runaway, exile, émigré, stateless person, outcast, returnee;  informalreffo "she had fled to England as a refugee"

 

 

Tell me where it mentions the first safe country in the UN refugee definition?

https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/

 

or on the wiki definition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee

 

and the definitions of Asylum seeker, refugee and migrants

https://www.habitatforhumanity.org.uk/blog/2016/09/refugees-asylum-seekers-migrants-crucial-difference/

 

as usual its more propaganda spread via lies and mistruths by the right wing purely to demonise and garner peoples intolerances and hatred.

 

[Penistone999 10]

If these people were fleeing persecution in their own country, they would want to get to the FIRST country of safety , not risk their lives even more by travelling through several more SAFE countries ,then risk their lives trying to sneak into Blighty in a rubber dingy in the middle of the night . 

Edited January 7, 2019 by Penistone999

[SnailyBoy 10]

2 minutes ago, Penistone999 said:

If these people were fleeing persecution in their own country, they would want to get to the FIRST country of safety , not risk their lives even more by travelling through several more SAFE countries ,then risk their lives trying to sneak into Blighty in a rubber dingy in the middle of the night . 

Turkey, for example, where they have taken in 3.2 million displaced people?