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8 hours ago, Anna B said:

Please can someone help explain what someone who is 'self-employed' on a 0 hours contract but  whose work has dried up, do? 

Should they claim Universal Credit? How much is it now?  And is the 5 week wait still in place?

Or is there something else they can claim instead?

I'm not sure what this means? Can you give an example?

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On 25/03/2020 at 15:25, Anna B said:

The best leader it's ever had is apparently unelectable, thanks almost entirely to the media, as will be any leader who follows his lead. They'll see to that.

 

   

And here's me thinking you'd slunked off the forum with your tail between your legs when Corbyn suffered his enormous humiliation at the last election.

 

Stamer might be another Blairite bogeyman to you.

 

But he isn't to millions of us.  You know, those of us who put Labour in power in 1997 and kept them there for years.

 

 

And if you want to talk of media support - Labour always had The Mirror in their corner.  They also had The Guardian.  But even they started to distance themselves towards the end.  Probably because people couldn't stand that odious Corbyn poster boy Owen Jones.

 

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Time will tell my friend.

The working class and now a fair section of the middle class are about to get their faces ground into the mud,

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Time will tell my friend.

The working class and now a fair section of the middle class are about to get their faces ground into the mud,

And will your face be in the mud as well?  Your statement doesn't appear to suggest that you associate yourself with either the working or middle class but are above both? 

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3 hours ago, alchresearch said:

And here's me thinking you'd slunked off the forum with your tail between your legs when Corbyn suffered his enormous humiliation at the last election.

 

Stamer might be another Blairite bogeyman to you.

 

But he isn't to millions of us.  You know, those of us who put Labour in power in 1997 and kept them there for years.

 

 

And if you want to talk of media support - Labour always had The Mirror in their corner.  They also had The Guardian.  But even they started to distance themselves towards the end.  Probably because people couldn't stand that odious Corbyn poster boy Owen Jones.

 

Times changed after the banking crash.  Labour changed with it to suit the times. With austerity, the least well off paid a disproportionate price.

Times are changing yet again with Coronavirus and the fallout will be massive. It will no doubt hurt the most vulnerable as usual.  We need a strong socialist Leader to protect them,  IMO Keir Starmer is not it. 

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1 minute ago, Anna B said:

Times changed after the banking crash.  Labour changed with it to suit the times. With austerity, the least well off paid a disproportionate price.

Times are changing yet again with Coronavirus and the fallout will be massive. It will no doubt hurt the most vulnerable. We need a strong socialist Leader to protect them,  IMO Keir Starmer is not it. 

You might not want Starmer but you're going to get him. 

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4 hours ago, alchresearch said:

And here's me thinking you'd slunked off the forum with your tail between your legs when Corbyn suffered his enormous humiliation at the last election.

 

Stamer might be another Blairite bogeyman to you.

 

But he isn't to millions of us.  You know, those of us who put Labour in power in 1997 and kept them there for years.

 

 

And if you want to talk of media support - Labour always had The Mirror in their corner.  They also had The Guardian.  But even they started to distance themselves towards the end.  Probably because people couldn't stand that odious Corbyn poster boy Owen Jones.

 

I hadn't been on the forum for a while because I've been very ill and spent quite a lot of the last 12 months in hospital. so your unpleasant slur was quite unnecessary.

 

I have also seen first hand just how much the NHS was struggling before the Coronavirus. Northern General had to be seen to be believed. This is not a criticsm of the NHS staff who work long and hard, but of systems and staff shortages. I compare this with Weston park who have a higher staffing ratio, good funding, and time to care. This is what all our health services used to be like.  

To leave these people without protection against coronavirus and no testing is the final insult. Boris should be ashamed.

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4 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I hadn't been on the forum for a while because I've been very ill and spent quite a lot of the last 12 months in hospital. so your unpleasant slur was quite unnecessary.

 

I have also seen first hand just how much the NHS was struggling before the Coronavirus. Northern General had to be seen to be believed. This is not a criticsm of the NHS staff who work long and hard, but of systems and staff shortages. I compare this with Weston park who have a higher staffing ratio, good funding, and time to care. This is what all our health services used to be like.  

To leave these people without protection against coronavirus and no testing is the final insult. Boris should be ashamed.

You realise Boris has given billions to the NHS right? What should he be ashamed of?

 

The Conservatives have given more money to the NHS than Labour were proposing in their 2015 and 2017 manifestos.

 

 

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On 23/03/2020 at 00:41, Anna B said:

 

 

Very interesting article in DM by Peter Hitchens, a very respected Conservative journalist who I rarely agree with but who on this occasion is brave enough to write the first article in the mainstream media which I've seen, (a 2 page spread,) daring to question the orthodox view of Boris' handling of this crisis. He writes:

 

".... It never ever does any harm to question decisions which you think are wrong. If they are right then no harm will be done, they will be able to deal with your questions. If they are in fact wrong you could save everyone a lot of trouble. 

So here I am, asking bluntly - is the closedown of the country the right answer to the Coronavirus? I'll be accused of undermining the NHS and threatening health and all kinds of other conformist rubbish, but I ask you to join me, because if we have this wrong we have a great deal to lose. I don't just address this plea to my readers, I think my fellow journalists should ask the same questions, I think MPs of all parties should ask them when they are urged tomorrow to pass into law a frightening series of restrictions on ancient liberties and vast increases in police and state powers."*

 

He then goes on to describe in great detail, (the main body of the article,) reasons why he thinks we have got it so wrong, and why the statistics are flawed, incomplete and taken out of context, for example;

 

'In the winter of 2017 - 18 more than 50,000 excess deaths occurred in England and Wales largely unnoticed.'

 

 In the governments table of 'deaths considered avoidable' it  lists 31,307 deaths from cardiovascular diseases in England and Wales for 2013 (the last year for which they could give me figures.)'

This, largely the toll of unhealthy lifestyles, was out of a total of 114,740 'avoidable' deaths in that year. To put these figures in perspective, please note that every human being in the United Kingdom suffers from a fatal condition - being alive.'

'About 1,600 people die every day in the UK for one reason or another. A similar figure applies in Italy and a much larger one in China.'

'Professor Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of epidemiology and population health, of biomedical data science and of statistics at Stanford University says the data on Coronavirus are utterly unreliable because so many cases are going unrecorded.'

 

'Epidemic disasters have been predicted many times before and have not been anything like as bad as feared, Bird flu did not kill the predicted millions in 1997, 1999 Mad Cow/CJD predicted to kill 500,000 killed less than 200. SARS (2003)  predicted to kill millions, didn't.  Neither did 2009 swine flu predicted to kill 65,000. The Council of Europe described the hyping of pandemics as one of the great medical scandals of the century.'

 

' I despair that so many in the commentariat and politics obediently accept what they are being told. I have lived long enough and travelled far enough, to know that authority is often wrong and cannot always be trusted.'

 

I'm sure the whole article will be available online for anybody who wants to read it in it's entirety. As for Miller Mike, I'm sure our doting press/media will continue to back Boris all the way come what may and the public will unquestioningly believe everything they read. Boris is about to bring in Draconian laws, if you disagree with him, tough,  you will be arrested.

 

 

 

I posted this a while ago. Boris is onto a winner, whichever way the outcome goes he will be able to spin it into either, 'it was the virus that beat us,'  or  'it was my leadership that saved us.'

Easy when the media is on your side.  We should question everything our politicians do and always look beyond the mainsteam media. That is why we need good investigative journalists with integrity, but unfortunately many of them (such as John Pilger,) have been marginalised to the internet. 

Boris is the master of spin, accompanied by a genial personality and pleasant public image, but that doesn't make him any less of a liar than he was before the election. 

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44 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

You realise Boris has given billions to the NHS right? What should he be ashamed of?

 

The Conservatives have given more money to the NHS than Labour were proposing in their 2015 and 2017 manifestos.

 

 

He should be ashamed of not having all NHS/health workers properly equipped with PPE.  He had enough warning to prepare. 

Also the testing is a fiasco. At the very least NHS/health workers should be tested to know if they have it. 

Labour were about bringing the NHS up to scratch, which it desperately needed, not dealing with an epidemic on top.

 

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1 minute ago, Anna B said:

He should be ashamed of not having all NHS/health workers properly equipped with PPE.  He had enough warning to prepare. 

Also the testing is a fiasco. At the very least NHS/health workers should be tested to know if they have it. 

Labour were about bringing the NHS up to scratch, not dealing with an epidemic.

 

With less money than they’ve been given by the Conservatives? How were they going to do that? 

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4 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

With less money than they’ve been given by the Conservatives? How were they going to do that? 

They weren't dealing with an epidemic. If it had been kept up to scratch in the first place, maybe it wouldn't have been necessary to just throw money at it.

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