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42 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

But as Chancellor in as early as Jan 2007, a good year before the crash, Brown would have been aware of the early signs such as the problems with an HSBC offshoot? 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-40873568

Look at some graphs of gold value and you will see that it trundled along for years with no great change before a sudden meteoric surge which quadrupled the price almost overnight and has never really come back down.  Guess when Brown sold? 

 

As for seeing it coming, Bankers apparently didn't even see the 2008 banking crash coming, all though plenty of internet users were trying to tell them! 

 

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20 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Have to agree. With Boris, words are cheap. implementation is another matter. His glowing 'recommendation' are just not happening according to today's Prime Ministers Questions. Even his own Conservative ministers are complaining that measures are not being complied with by business and employers, and STILL nothing for self employed and low waged. 

 

One thing this epidemic is showing up is the vast swathes of poor / just managing families in this country who are living hand to mouth with no savings to fall back. The Conservatives seem to have no concept of this, living in their own ivory towers.  Once again it is the poorest and lowest paid who are bearing the brunt, and incidently putting everyone else at risk by being unable to isolate when they have to. 

 

There will be heavens knows how many people trying to get Universal credit, having been put out of work through no fault of their own, who are about to experience how slowly the wheels of bureaucracy turn, and how to live on fresh air.

Conservatives & their ivory towers? 

 

And yet Labour are heading to replace one multi-millionaire leader with another,  Kier Starmer but shhhhush, he doesn't like to mention it. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7808767/Keir-Starmer-Wikipedia-WAR-hes-MILLIONAIRE.html

 

And yet the swathes of 'poor / just managing', recently had the chance to vote Labour, get their free broadband & unicorns, etc yet turned their backs on it all. 

 

Funny that, eh? 

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The sale of our gold reserve made Gordon Brown look inept,but anyone who has dealt in metals knows that sometimes a market behaves coherently and at others logic goes out of the window.

The truth is that the London Metal Exchange which is supposed to iron out fluctuations and give certainty to markets can and is manipulated by speculators,who need market movement,both upwards and downwards to make money.

Its not just metals.All the commodities can be subject to speculative deals...even pepper at one stage.

Some speculators will be having a field day at the moment and there will be winners and losers.

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3 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Conservatives & their ivory towers? 

 

And yet Labour are heading to replace one multi-millionaire leader with another,  Kier Starmer but shhhhush, he doesn't like to mention it. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7808767/Keir-Starmer-Wikipedia-WAR-hes-MILLIONAIRE.html

 

And yet the swathes of 'poor / just managing', recently had the chance to vote Labour, get their free broadband & unicorns, etc yet turned their backs on it all. 

 

Funny that, eh? 

This attempt to equate a bank balance with political leanings is so ridiculous.

Irrespective of personal wealth ,what counts is what level of social consciousness is apparent.

Go back in history and you will find many examples of wealthy industrialists who cared for their workers living standards and were philanthropists.

You will also find others who ground them into the dust.

That is why the labour movement became a force and still represents the underclass living in relative poverty.

Under the current situation it just may be that the I’m alright Jack brigade may need a rethink.

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21 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Conservatives & their ivory towers? 

 

And yet Labour are heading to replace one multi-millionaire leader with another,  Kier Starmer but shhhhush, he doesn't like to mention it. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7808767/Keir-Starmer-Wikipedia-WAR-hes-MILLIONAIRE.html

 

And yet the swathes of 'poor / just managing', recently had the chance to vote Labour, get their free broadband & unicorns, etc yet turned their backs on it all. 

 

Funny that, eh? 

Keir Starmer? Not by me, he's not.

 

Labour is between a rock and a hard place. The best leader it's ever had is apparently unelectable, thanks almost entirely to the media, as will be any leader who follows his lead. They'll see to that. It happened to Michael Foot, Neil Kinnock and Ed Milliband as well as JC and they will continue to attack anyone who doesn't fall in line. Tony Blair was allowed a go because they knew he could be manipulated. And his post Labour leader behaviour I think speaks for itself.

 

As for the swathes of poor/just managing etc, an awful lot of them, and a fair number of middle class Tories as well, are about to come face to face with the Bureaucracy that is Universal credit. Good luck to them, nothing like a dose of reality to change minds.  

  

 

   

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1 hour ago, RJRB said:

The sale of our gold reserve made Gordon Brown look inept,but anyone who has dealt in metals knows that sometimes a market behaves coherently and at others logic goes out of the window.

The truth is that the London Metal Exchange which is supposed to iron out fluctuations and give certainty to markets can and is manipulated by speculators,who need market movement,both upwards and downwards to make money.

Its not just metals.All the commodities can be subject to speculative deals...even pepper at one stage.

Some speculators will be having a field day at the moment and there will be winners and losers.

Was only pointing something similar out to someone in another thread when they were reveling in the fact (by way of having a pop at Wetherspoons' Tim Martin), that Wetherspoons share price ha fallen, (along with virtually every share price around the world due to the COVID-19 crisis), & that Martin would be on his uppers by Christmas. 

 

Well as you state, speculators, (& ordinary folk who also dabble), will be having a field day.  Wetherspoons shares last week as low as £5.56.  Latest share price a few minutes ago £8.60.

 

Not bad.  As for the  'I'm alright Jack brigade.'

 

Why not try to jump on board? 

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41 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

 

 

Not bad.  As for the  'I'm alright Jack brigade.'

 

Why not try to jump on board? 

I would rather not thanks and fortunately there are many who are currently going above and beyond to counter the selfish to some extent.

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17 minutes ago, RJRB said:

I would rather not thanks and fortunately there are many who are currently going above and beyond to counter the selfish to some extent.

Ah but being, (in the opinion of others), a member of one group, doesn't mean that you're mutually excluded from being a member of another group. 

 

As pointed out previously, some of the wealthiest in society, (& you don't get that way by not striving for it), are also its greatest philanthropists. 

 

Don't be to quick to judge a book by its cover.  Most of the philanthropic carry out their deeds quietly. 

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I don’t think that the “I’m alright Jack” brigade represents philanthropy,charity or the many individuals who have responded to the call for volunteers.

I am also sure that many who have used this phrase lightheartedly in the past,would not be so minded in the current situation.

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On 22/03/2020 at 22:17, Longcol said:

So when are front line NHS staff going to get protective gear?

When is testing on the scale Germany are doing going to start?

 

 

Oh no - you mentioned the G word.

We didn't fight in 2 world wars for the likes of Angela Merkle to come flaunting their testing. testing, testing.  You can keep your cheap intensive care ventilators obtained by the EU.  We are no longer members!

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/uk-politics/2103709/coronavirus-britain-misses-out-on-eu-ventilators-due-to-e-mail-gaffe/

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32 minutes ago, Flanker7 said:

Oh no - you mentioned the G word.

We didn't fight in 2 world wars for the likes of Angela Merkle to come flaunting their testing. testing, testing.  You can keep your cheap intensive care ventilators obtained by the EU.  We are no longer members!

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/uk-politics/2103709/coronavirus-britain-misses-out-on-eu-ventilators-due-to-e-mail-gaffe/

Forgive me.

 

Now I realise that world class leadership is the ability to stand in front of two Union Jacks whilst spouting cliches like "turning the tide".

 

If coronavirus had ever showed its face at Eton it would have been in for a jolly good thrashing.

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Please can someone help explain what someone who is 'self-employed' on a 0 hours contract but  whose work has dried up, do? 

Should they claim Universal Credit? How much is it now?  And is the 5 week wait still in place?

Or is there something else they can claim instead?

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