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6 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Well it's him or Boris. 

 

Better put it this way, both have the capacity to do a huge amount of damage. Who do you think will do the most. I reckon corbyn will set us back 5 years, Johnson 20 years.

I'll go Johnson 20 years, Corbyn 50 years, Comrades policies and ideology belong in the 1970s, I wouldn't worry too much though Greta and Co reckon the planet only has about 10 years left, ah well I suppose we will should all suck it and accept a portion of the blame whatever happens !

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6 hours ago, hobinfoot said:

 

I’ve never been a socialist. But In the past there has been quite a few Labour MPs who I admire. Corbyn I find is a principled man but his politics are far to radical for me this also includes many life long Labour supporters.

The Labour manifesto isn’t radical though is it. It’s pretty standard social democratic middle of the road stuff

 

The Tories are not really trying to take down any policies in particular. Because all of the core policies have popular support when considered in isolation from party politics.

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35 minutes ago, Michael_W said:

I'll go Johnson 20 years, Corbyn 50 years, Comrades policies and ideology belong in the 1970s, I wouldn't worry too much though Greta and Co reckon the planet only has about 10 years left, ah well I suppose we will should all suck it and accept a portion of the blame whatever happens !

NeoLiberalism   (or free market fundamentalism,) is largely to blame for that as well. We cannot carry on with unsustainable continuous uncontrolled  consumption of resources which is what neoliberalism is all about. It's being going on for 40 years since Thatcherism and it's effects are becoming all too apparent. It is a cancer on the world. 

Edited by Anna B

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15 hours ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Yup. But as stated before, in our constituency there is a Brexit and Conservative candidate standing. As also stated, I see Labour getting in by the back door, by Brexit and Tory splitting their vote. To keep Labour out who will bankrupt the Country again for certain, the dilemma is, Brexit or a tactical vote.

 

Angel1.

Labour have never Bankrupted the country, or even got close.

IF the country was Bankrupt in 2010, as the Tories keep banging on about, then where did the ConDems get billions and billions and billions of pounds from to bail out the Banks (who were the real culprits of 'Bankrupting Britain)?

Did Labour lose it at the back of a drawer?

 

FAKE NEWS!

 

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If we continue to contest the middle ground, then nothing will ever change.

Blair fought the middle ground, won, and dragged us to the right and continued with watered down Thatcher policies.

The PFI introduction was a prime example. A disastrous decision.

Don't ever confuse Blair's New Labour with a proper Labour Party. He changed it to New Labour because he knew he wasn't a traditional Labour man. Yes, he was re-elected, but I put that down to strong Tory support for what was (and is) a junior Tory Blair.

We can't really move much further to the right, so for the good of the country, we have to head to the left.

This 'Left' that people are so scared of, was the norm in the late 50's and the 60's.

There was no mention of Communism in Britain then.

We are so used to right wing policies now, that ANY slight move left is considered 'dangerous'.

 

If (when) Barney Rubble gets in, is the day when the British prove to the world, that they are just as  stupid, and gullible as Trump supporters in America. Both liars, and neither to be trusted with most things.

 

Good at wars, but that's about it, and who wants wars?

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7 hours ago, Hotmale 1954 said:

Labour have never Bankrupted the country, or even got close.

IF the country was Bankrupt in 2010, as the Tories keep banging on about, then where did the ConDems get billions and billions and billions of pounds from to bail out the Banks (who were the real culprits of 'Bankrupting Britain)?

Did Labour lose it at the back of a drawer?

 

FAKE NEWS!

 

I actually laid eyes on the note Labour left, as did most of the Country. Here it is "for your eyes only"

 

IonLRxs.jpg

 

And they did not leave the Country Bankrupt, have another go.

 

Angel1.

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23 hours ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Yup. But as stated before, in our constituency there is a Brexit and Conservative candidate standing. As also stated, I see Labour getting in by the back door, by Brexit and Tory splitting their vote. To keep Labour out who will bankrupt the Country again for certain, the dilemma is, Brexit or a tactical vote.

 

Angel1.

The Conservative and the Brexit candidate has very little chance of winning in my constituency, it’s a safe labour seat, mind you I would love to be proved wrong. Therefore I’m going to vote for the Brexit party.   Had it been a marginal seat then I would have voted for the Conservatives.
 

If I still lived in Sheffield I would have the same dilemma as you.

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9 hours ago, Hotmale 1954 said:

Labour have never Bankrupted the country, or even got close.

IF the country was Bankrupt in 2010, as the Tories keep banging on about, then where did the ConDems get billions and billions and billions of pounds from to bail out the Banks (who were the real culprits of 'Bankrupting Britain)?

Did Labour lose it at the back of a drawer?

 

FAKE NEWS!

 

I don’t think anymore said we were bankrupt in 2010. But we were left very poorly prepared for the financial crash in 2008.

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5 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

I don’t think anymore said we were bankrupt in 2010. But we were left very poorly prepared for the financial crash in 2008.

The imminent demise of the banking system was all over the internet for at least 3 years before the crash, in spite of this no one was prepared. No one was listening. One American guy (sorry, can't remmember his name,) was so worried he gave up his job in finance and took to going round his country calling public meetings to get the message out. He couldn't believe there was nothing in the media and no one was talking about it even though it was as inevitable as the Titanic sinking after it hit the iceberg.

 

A very strange time in our history, and we're still in the grip of the repercussions.   

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2 hours ago, Anna B said:

The imminent demise of the banking system was all over the internet for at least 3 years before the crash, in spite of this no one was prepared. No one was listening. One American guy (sorry, can't remmember his name,) was so worried he gave up his job in finance and took to going round his country calling public meetings to get the message out. He couldn't believe there was nothing in the media and no one was talking about it even though it was as inevitable as the Titanic sinking after it hit the iceberg.

 

A very strange time in our history, and we're still in the grip of the repercussions.   

I remember someone saying it will take 20/30 years for the effects of the crash to end.

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3 hours ago, hobinfoot said:

I remember someone saying it will take 20/30 years for the effects of the crash to end.

An unintended effect of the crash is Brexit, which if it happens will certainly prolong any economic effects from 2008.

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On 03/12/2019 at 18:28, Michael_W said:

I'll go Johnson 20 years, Corbyn 50 years, Comrades policies and ideology belong in the 1970s, I wouldn't worry too much though Greta and Co reckon the planet only has about 10 years left, ah well I suppose we will should all suck it and accept a portion of the blame whatever happens !

50 years? Really? Things were privatised and nationalised and back again alot in the last century. There are one or two odd ones in Labour's manfesto but really, it's middle of the road spending compared with lots of Europe.

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