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13 hours ago, Obelix said:

I think that the Bill of Rights means that it will be justicable in regards to the requirement to consult Parliament....

That's an interesting point, would you mind spelling it out a bit more?  I note that David Starkey is apparently [sc. behind a paywall] arguing that the Bill of Rights provides a reason for it to be non-justiciable.

 

I know - it's David Starkey - but he is a certified constitutional historian.

 

Meanwhile, my latest prediction is that the Court will find that the prorogation wasn't quite long enough for it to count as unlawful.  I suspect Mr Cummings will have calculated just how long a suspension he could get away with, and I suspect he might have got it right.

 

But as I say, we shall just have to wait and see whether the Court rules in favour of the executive or the legislature (or, if you're a Leaver, whether they are, respectively, brave heroes defending democracy, or despicable traitors and enemies of the People).

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Bozo was ambushed by the parent of a sick kiddie at Whipps Cross Hospital this morning. 

 

A pure comedy moment when he said to the fella “As far as I’m aware there are no press here” as he was flimed by the BBC.

 

“Boris Johnson confronted on east London hospital visit “

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49740419

 

 

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4 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Bozo was ambushed by the parent of a sick kiddie at Whipps Cross Hospital this morning. 

 

A pure comedy moment when he said to the fella “As far as I’m aware there are no press here” as he was flimed by the BBC.

 

“Boris Johnson confronted on east London hospital visit “

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49740419

 

 

Yep, caught lying by the very press he claimed wasn't there,

 

The parent is now being smeared in the Tory/Brexit press because he has the temerity to be a long time Labour supporter and therefore a champion of the NHS in the face of Tory attacks.

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23 hours ago, CaptainSwing said:

Meanwhile, my latest prediction is that the Court will find that the prorogation wasn't quite long enough for it to count as unlawful.  I suspect Mr Cummings will have calculated just how long a suspension he could get away with, and I suspect he might have got it right.

Or, in the playground language that Mr Johnson is so fond of, they might tell him that he's been a "very naughty boy.  We'll let you off this time, but we'll be keeping an eye on you, and if we catch you at it again it'll be straight to the headmaster.  Do you understand?"

 

"Yes, Matron."

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On 07/09/2019 at 08:30, Top Cats Hat said:

That is funny lol.

 

I think pretty much anyone who has seen that clip is in no doubt about who looks the <removed>! 🤣😂🤣

You are entitled to your opinion.

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4 hours ago, Jeddo said:

His accent was from a little town south of Dublin where my family comes from, that is in the Irish Republic thanks very much, not N I.  Shame on you for not knowing  history or geography or accents. No wonder you probably voted remain if you can't tell an immigrant when you see one . He was one of my own.

Not responsible - your twisted context - like the remain campaign, twisting the notion of democracy

He was one of my own too, a human being. Couldn't care less whether he is an immigrant, unlike yourself.

Thanks for judging my level of education and knowledge of history and geography on not recognising a local accent, I must have skipped that particular lesson.

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On 17/09/2019 at 12:49, Mister M said:

In his interview with Tom Bradby, David Cameron said his main regret was not doing "austerity harder and faster".

Labour said they would have cut harder if they'd won in 2010.

 

Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher

 

They dodged a bullet by not winning.  

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On 18/09/2019 at 18:22, taxman said:

,The parent is now being smeared in the Tory/Brexit press because he has the temerity to be a long time Labour supporter and therefore a champion of the NHS in the face of Tory attacks.

Smeared by the Tory/Brexit BBC as well.

 

Joanna Gosling on BBC Two this morning described him as ‘heckling’ Boris Johnson when anyone watching the clip would see a concerned parent passionately putting forward the case for a properly funded NHS.

 

Yet more evidence that the BBC sees its role as supporter of the monarchy, the Church of England and the Conservative Party. 😡

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According to writer Guy Adams.  He claims that that "Whipps Cross hospital was on its knees under Labour... and the Tories poured in millions to rescue it"

 

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On Twitter, where he describes himself as a campaigner for 'a socialist Europe,' Mr Salem later claimed the NHS has been 'neglected' during the PM's time in politics. Like any taxpayer, he is of course entitled to his opinion, just as he's perfectly justified in complaining if he feels that his child received unsatisfactory care.

 

Yet on a purely factual level, it must be noted that NHS funding increased every year that Johnson's party has been in government, at a rate that exceeds inflation. So, too, has the budget of Whipps Cross Hospital, along with the numbers of doctors, nurses and other frontline staff that it employs to deliver care.

 

What's more, some of the worst incidents in the hospital's recent existence occurred when Mr Salem's Labour party was running the NHS, while  its governing trust's longstanding financial woes, which have seriously affected care, date back to a disastrous PFI contract signed when his party's ex-leader Tony Blair was in office.

 

For wherever you stand on Boris's visit and Mr Salem's intervention, one thing's for sure: Wednesday wasn't the first time in recent times that Whipps Cross University Hospital has found itself at the centre of frenzied controversy.

 

More than 20 years ago, during Blair's first term in office, conditions at the vast NHS facility in north-east London became front-page news, and were raised in Parliament after the Mail published a shocking photo of several rows of patients lying on trollies in its horrifically overcrowded A&E unit.

 

The 'third world' conditions, described by a whistleblower as 'degrading and humiliating', sparked complaints from scores of patients, many of whom were elderly and in great pain, and had been waiting more than 16 hours to see a doctor.

 

Days later, a frail, 80-year prostate cancer patient called Edward Currey died in agonising pain on what his family called a 'stinking ward' where they said he'd been 'ignored' by doctors. It emerged that he'd spent 11 days there without once being washed or shaved, in what Help the Aged called 'more than a disgrace' and 'almost criminal' for a 'civilised society'.

 

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4 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

According to writer Guy Adams.  He claims that that "Whipps Cross hospital was on its knees under Labour... and the Tories poured in millions to rescue it"

 

More than 20 years ago, during Blair's first term in office, conditions at the vast NHS facility in north-east London became front-page news, and were raised in Parliament after the Mail published a shocking photo of several rows of patients lying on trollies in its horrifically overcrowded A&E unit.

More than 20 years ago, note it doesn't give an exact figure, would have been pretty close to when first Blair became PM and the conditions of the hospital could easily have been a legacy from the previous Conservative administration.

 

P.S. Don't forget to post links to where you quote things from so we can judge how sceptically to view them.

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19 minutes ago, altus said:

More than 20 years ago, note it doesn't give an exact figure, would have been pretty close to when first Blair became PM and the conditions of the hospital could easily have been a legacy from the previous Conservative administration.

 

P.S. Don't forget to post links to where you quote things from so we can judge how sceptically to view them.

There is an article, with some more information, here. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7483635/GUY-ADAMS-Whipps-Cross-hospital-knees-Labour-Tories-poured-rescue-it.html

 

It's the DailyMail so fact may have to be verified elsewhere. 

 

"The trust's accounts show that in 2012/3, the earliest year for which records are available, it spent a total of £1,333 million across its five institutions, one of which is Whipps Cross. In the 2018/9 financial year, that figure was £1,603 million. That's an increase of £300 million per year, or roughly 20 percent.

 

Over the same period, the number of employees on the Trust's payroll has also risen considerably. In 2012 it had 13,168. Today, that figure is 15,180. The number of 'medical and dental' staff has risen from 2,291 to 2,714. Nursing staff have increased from 5,235 to 5,682. And the number of healthcare assistants and support staff on the books has grown from 486 to 1,939." 

 

 

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9 hours ago, alchresearch said:

According to writer Guy Adams.  He claims that that "Whipps Cross hospital was on its knees under Labour... and the Tories poured in millions to rescue it"

 

 

The Tories pouring millions into rescuing something my arse. I await a response from Tory HQ on Monday after 9.00?

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