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53 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

News coming out of Brussels is that there will be no renegotiation of the withdrawal agreement so I'm not entirely sure what a shouty Brexiteer as PM will do other than increase the chances of Parliament taking over control of the proceedure again.

 

What angry Brexiteers need to realise is that an extreme leave supporter leading the Conservatives is much more likely to push Parliament into revoking Article 50.

No deal? The only way that parliament can prevent that is through a vote of no confidence in the government. Not impossible by any means, but whoever the new Conservative leader will be must be aware of that. 

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The hypocritical tributes to her  from the backstabbing b******s are unbelievable.

 

DEFINITELY the nasty party.

Et tu brute!

 

Edited by davyboy

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14 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

No deal? The only way that parliament can prevent that is through a vote of no confidence in the government. 

Not at all. All it needs to do is exactly what it did in March which is to pass legislation which makes it a legal obligation on the Prime Minister to ask the EU for an extension if we get within a certain number of days of leaving with no deal. 

 

It only passed by one vote last time but I suspect it will have a lot more support next time round.

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The Tories have given us the two worst PMs of modern times, one after the other, and are about to inflict the third on us. FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP VOTING FOR THEM.

Edited by Bob Arctor

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1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

News coming out of Brussels is that there will be no renegotiation of the withdrawal agreement so I'm not entirely sure what a shouty Brexiteer as PM will do other than increase the chances of Parliament taking over control of the proceedure again.

 

What angry Brexiteers need to realise is that an extreme leave supporter leading the Conservatives is much more likely to push Parliament into revoking Article 50.

They'll push a no deal in that instance.

The new leader could accept it. Lets see who blinks first.

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9 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

They'll push a no deal in that instance.

The new leader could accept it. Lets see who blinks first.

MPs could revoke A50, listening to the channel four clip, what will happen is anyones guess. Its got to be another referendum, because they don't want a general election.

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1 minute ago, El Cid said:

MPs could revoke A50, listening to the channel four clip, what will happen is anyones guess. Its got to be another referendum, because they don't want a general election.

Maybe, and what if the referendum gave the same result as last time?

General election wouldn't help the brexit problem imo.

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12 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

Maybe, and what if the referendum gave the same result as last time?

General election wouldn't help the brexit problem imo.

Unlikely, as support for Remain has been consistently around 54% for at least the last year. On top of that unlike the referendum in 2016 which was basically a referendum for Leavers, a second referendum would get Remainers out in droves busting a gut to vote,  particularly those who didn’t vote in 2016, 65% of whom supported remain. Contrast that with the many angry Leave supporters who will refuse to vote in another referendum.

 

Add to that the swing of a million plus votes from Leave to Remain due to over three years of demographic changes, and Remain could feasibly win a second referendum by as much as 70:30 which would pretty much kill Brexit off for our lifetime.

 

All those saying ‘be careful what you wish for’ and ‘Leave could win again with a bigger majority’ are flying in the face of reason.

 

A general election would only help the impasse if Labour ditched Corbyn and came out as a progressive Remain party.

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6 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Unlikely, as support for Remain has been consistently around 54% for at least the last year. On top of that unlike the referendum in 2016 which was basically a referendum for Leavers, a second referendum would get Remainers out in droves busting a gut to vote,  particularly those who didn’t vote in 2016, 65% of whom supported remain. Contrast that with the many angry Leave supporters who will refuse to vote in another referendum.

 

Add to that the swing of a million plus votes from Leave to Remain due to over three years of demographic changes, and Remain could feasibly win a second referendum by as much as 70:30 which would pretty much kill Brexit off for our lifetime.

 

All those saying ‘be careful what you wish for’ and ‘Leave could win again with a bigger majority’ are flying in the face of reason.

 

A general election would only help the impasse if Labour ditched Corbyn and came out as a progressive Remain party.

So, polls are about similar to prior to the last referendum.

My point was actually what IF the referendum gave the same result.

What would you propose then? Surely it would have to be followed through that time?

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3 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

So, polls are about similar to prior to the last referendum.

Not at all. The polls are not only showing an 8 point lead for Remain but importantly, this lead has been steadily growing for the past three years. 

 

Leave could only only win another referendum if there is a significant number of Remainers suddenly deciding to support Leave which is both unlikely and highly irrational given the total mess we are in..

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15 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Not at all. The polls are not only showing an 8 point lead for Remain but importantly, this lead has been steadily growing for the past three years. 

 

Leave could only only win another referendum if there is a significant number of Remainers suddenly deciding to support Leave which is both unlikely and highly irrational given the total mess we are in..

And what if Leave did win? What would your stance be then? Hypothetically speaking of course.

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13 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Not at all. The polls are not only showing an 8 point lead for Remain but importantly, this lead has been steadily growing for the past three years. 

 

Leave could only only win another referendum if there is a significant number of Remainers suddenly deciding to support Leave which is both unlikely and highly irrational given the total mess we are in..

It's also worth remembering that in a future referendum the leave campaign won't be able to get away with promising a unicorn and rainbows brexit. All but the most in denial leavers know that's not deliverable. The leaders of a leave campaign will have to answer the hard questions rather than bat them away with "we don't know what the results of the negotiations will be so I can't answer".

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