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" But he was unpersuaded and constantly said: “the case has not been made”. He went against the conventional wisdom and opposed the war. Those of us present will never forget the debate in parliament when he was denounced – mainly from the Conservative side – for treachery and treason, among the more printable accusations. He showed political courage and good judgement in sticking to a position that was ultimately vindicated."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/02/charles-kennedy-left-labour-true-liberal

 

Charles Kennedy a true opponent to the Iraq war. Not bandwagon jumping opportunist's.

 

This is what the conservatives were, and are.

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" But he was unpersuaded and constantly said: “the case has not been made”. He went against the conventional wisdom and opposed the war. Those of us present will never forget the debate in parliament when he was denounced – mainly from the Conservative side – for treachery and treason, among the more printable accusations. He showed political courage and good judgement in sticking to a position that was ultimately vindicated."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/02/charles-kennedy-left-labour-true-liberal

 

Charles Kennedy a true opponent to the Iraq war. Not bandwagon jumping opportunist's.

 

This is what the conservatives were, and are.

 

Stop trying to use this mans untimely death to score political points!

 

You know as well as I it was The Labour Government who lied to the house, it was The Labour Government who created the dodgy dossier, it was The Labour Government that claimed we were 45 minutes away from doom, no one else.

Edited by Berberis

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Stop trying to use this mans untimely death to score political points!

 

You know as well as I it was Labour who lied to the house, it was Labour who created the dodgy dossier, it was Labour that claimed we were 45 minutes away from doom, no one else.

 

Agreed.

 

It is to my and many Tories' shame that we believed Blair (and his cronies). He seemed so convincing. Don't worry, we wont believe another Labour leader for a very long time.

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May I join my comments to Berberis and Ron Jeremy.

 

Blair stood before the House of Commons and lied. Any opposition, be it Labour or Conservative have supported the government when we go to war. That is their duty, not uncritically but supportive of the men and women who are going into harms way,

 

The Opposition is entitled to be told the truth. Foot supported Thatcher, re the Falklands. Tories supported Blair re Balkans and Sierra Leone.

 

This support is predicated on being told the truth. Blair lied. Thousands have died and are still dying.

 

Blair and his front bench are war criminals. They should stand trial.

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Kennedy was a man of honour as befits his comments on the Iraq war.

 

Another one was Robin Cook who had the courage of his convictions and so incensed Blair by resigning that Blair couldn't even be bothered to attend his funeral.

 

Yes I beleived Blair as did many others when he produced his dodgy dossier.

 

Never again.

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Stop trying to use this mans untimely death to score political points!

 

You know as well as I it was Blair who lied to the house, it was Blair who created the dodgy dossier, it was Blair that claimed we were 45 minutes away from doom, no one else.

 

There you go. Corrected for you.

 

(He misled his own party too.)

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There you go. Corrected for you.

 

(He misled his own party too.)

 

He did indeed, however, it is necessary to keep reminding socialists of their culpability, you never know they might be saying they were not responsible for the financial crisis next.

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There you go. Corrected for you.

 

(He misled his own party too.)

 

I have corrected further, see above.

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Stop trying to use this mans untimely death to score political points!

 

You know as well as I it was The Labour Government who lied to the house, it was The Labour Government who created the dodgy dossier, it was The Labour Government that claimed we were 45 minutes away from doom, no one else.

 

And also let's not forget it was the conservatives who stood up, tried to shout him down, and called him a traitor when he opposed the war in the house of commons.

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And also let's not forget it was the conservatives who stood up, tried to shout him down, and called him a traitor when he opposed the war in the house of commons.

 

The whole House was ranged against him, stop being disingenuous. The Tories did what they were supposed to. They supported the PM who, it was later proved, was lying.

 

What the Liberals plus 122 Labour members did was, in view of the "evidence" of Blair, wrong at the time. Their position, whilst honorable, was taken on the basis that the they required more proof than was presented to them, some were in any case pacifists.

 

The bottom line is that the House was lied to by Blair,backed by the Labour front bench. A disgrace unparalleled in British parliamentary history.

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The whole House was ranged against him, stop being disingenuous.
I'm not being disingenuous at all, that's what I remember. Most of the house was against him, sure. But it was the Tories who were all shouting 'traitor' and trying to shout him down without debate, much to the delight of Tony Blair I'm sure. Edited by flamingjimmy

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I'm not being indigenous at all, that's what I remember. Most of the house was against him, sure. But it was the Tories who were all shouting 'traitor' and trying to shout him down without debate, much to the delight of Tony Blair I'm sure.

 

Oh for crying out loud. It says way more about you that you wish to use this mans death to try to score political points. Get a life and stop trying to change the past to suit your political aims.

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