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7 hours ago, Helj said:

I find it hard to accept current Labour MPs not supporting the view of the current leader as a reason to deselect them. 

Of the 35 years Jeremy Corbyn has been an MP, the 33 years of being on the back benches showed him regularly at odds with the Labour leadership and frequently not voting with them.  Until now, Labour has been seen as allowing a much broader range of views, all of which were seen as valuable.  The thing I find hardest to accept from the Labour leadership -Corbyn, McDonnell, Milne and Murphy is the aggressive way they speak of those within their party who are not in agreement with them, and their use of altering the rules and turning a blind eye to encourage local CLPs to deselect those they see as not helpful to their view of the Labour Party.  Under Blair and Brown, Corbyn and McDonnell  were not treated this way, despite not being on the same side of the party.

I didn’t say this was grounds for deselection, but it’s just one of the many things on a fairly long (personal) list as to why, as a member of the CLP, I’d rather she wasn’t our candidate in a future general election. 

 

I’m sure nothing will come of the motion, just as I’m equally sure that Angela’s arrogance won’t allow her to think - hang on, should I be listening to my local members more?

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7 hours ago, Helj said:

I find it hard to accept current Labour MPs not supporting the view of the current leader as a reason to deselect them. 

Of the 35 years Jeremy Corbyn has been an MP, the 33 years of being on the back benches showed him regularly at odds with the Labour leadership and frequently not voting with them.  Until now, Labour has been seen as allowing a much broader range of views, all of which were seen as valuable.  The thing I find hardest to accept from the Labour leadership -Corbyn, McDonnell, Milne and Murphy is the aggressive way they speak of those within their party who are not in agreement with them, and their use of altering the rules and turning a blind eye to encourage local CLPs to deselect those they see as not helpful to their view of the Labour Party.  Under Blair and Brown, Corbyn and McDonnell  were not treated this way, despite not being on the same side of the party.

My views entirely.  I admit I was initially taken in by Jeremy Corbyn but his lack of tolerance [and action] have certainly changed my position. I fear for the likes of Angela Smith, loyal Socialists through the years, being punished for the crime of not sucking up to the leader.  Corbyn has let the Party down, not Angela Smith.

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8 hours ago, EUCLID11 said:

My views entirely.  I admit I was initially taken in by Jeremy Corbyn but his lack of tolerance [and action] have certainly changed my position. I fear for the likes of Angela Smith, loyal Socialists through the years, being punished for the crime of not sucking up to the leader.  Corbyn has let the Party down, not Angela Smith.

How has Corbyn let the party down?

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11 hours ago, nikki-red said:

Please stay on topic. This is in sheffield discussions because its about a Sheffield MP,  not Trump or Brexit.

Quite difficult not to mention Brexit as the conversation includes the Sheffield MP not backing the 65% of her constituents who voted for it. 

 

Angel1.

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12 hours ago, Hook said:

I didn’t say this was grounds for deselection, but it’s just one of the many things on a fairly long (personal) list as to why, as a member of the CLP, I’d rather she wasn’t our candidate in a future general election. 

 

I’m sure nothing will come of the motion, just as I’m equally sure that Angela’s arrogance won’t allow her to think - hang on, should I be listening to my local members more?

You also need to reflect on whether the constituents are more aligned to what a current MP thinks, or of they are more aligned to a few dozen in the local party.

I'm not a fan of Angela, but I'm an even lesser fan of the trend of the cult following of the new breed who are turning the party onto a new path, which is further away from the electorate in this constituency. Seems to be by a generation full of idealism, but perhaps lacking in experience of similar events in the party's and country's past.

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1 hour ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Quite difficult not to mention Brexit as the conversation includes the Sheffield MP not backing the 65% of her constituents who voted for it. 

 

Angel1.

Angel - Thanks for the links, most interesting

 

But i still dont see how much more she could have done within the role that she has not to back her constituents up over Brexit. She didn't vote against it.

13 hours ago, Hook said:

I didn’t say this was grounds for deselection, but it’s just one of the many things on a fairly long (personal) list as to why, as a member of the CLP, I’d rather she wasn’t our candidate in a future general election. 

 

I’m sure nothing will come of the motion, just as I’m equally sure that Angela’s arrogance won’t allow her to think - hang on, should I be listening to my local members more?

again i come back to 27 people out of many thousands have vocally disagreed with her. You may have your own reasons and have your views as to her suitability but the fact remains that the thousands that voted for her should have a bigger say then a tiny (0.12%) of the "members" who voted Labour.

 

in response to your other post, i feel (as a previous person who has voted Labour) that Corbyn, by letting things like this happen is letting the party down by not allowing people with different opinions to his (pretty much as he spent his entire backbench career opposing his leaders) to have a voice without the CPL trying to deselect them.

 

As i put in my earlier post, when it was him voicing an opinion it was ok, now he's the one in charge no-one is allowed an alternative.

 

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4 hours ago, Hook said:

How has Corbyn let the party down?

How long a list do you want?   

 

Lets just start with the basic one - after X years as leader he's been unable to make any leap in the opinion polls and is barely level pegging with the Tories.

 

Voting Intention (4-5 Nov):

Conservatives 41%

Labour 37%

 

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When it comes to who would make the best Prime Minister, this week's poll shows 36% of people prefer Theresa May while 22% favour Jeremy Corbyn. A further 38% answered "not sure".

 

 

Edited by alchresearch

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13 hours ago, EUCLID11 said:

My views entirely.  I admit I was initially taken in by Jeremy Corbyn but his lack of tolerance [and action] have certainly changed my position. I fear for the likes of Angela Smith, loyal Socialists through the years, being punished for the crime of not sucking up to the leader.  Corbyn has let the Party down, not Angela Smith.

I wouldn't call her a socialist, she voted against restrictions on fracking and was against returning the water into public ownership, not what i would call a socialist, not to mention her running to the media to undermine her SOCIALIST leader..

what do you think makes her a socialist?

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1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

I wouldn't call her a socialist, she voted against restrictions on fracking and was against returning the water into public ownership, not what i would call a socialist, not to mention her running to the media to undermine her SOCIALIST leader..

what do you think makes her a socialist?

And voting against the publication of MP's expenses. I wonder why?.

 

Angel1.

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1 hour ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

And voting against the publication of MP's expenses. I wonder why?.

 

Angel1.

She is a character from The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists ,as are most recent Sheffield M.Ps who have conveniently forgot the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire  proud tag that we all fell for back in the day.

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2 hours ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

And voting against the publication of MP's expenses. I wonder why?.

 

Angel1.

Not really valid as it was Harriet Harman who tabled the original motion to make MP's expenses exempt from the FOI act in 2009 and the Labour Party who used a 3 line whip to try and force this through Parliament. This failed and it was thanks to a FOI request by the Telegraph later that year that all the expenses scandal came out.

 

So Labour wanted to hide anyone finding out about the expenses of MPs as a party and used the whip to try and get it through. To quote you - "I wonder why"

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, banjodeano said:

I wouldn't call her a socialist, she voted against restrictions on fracking and was against returning the water into public ownership, not what i would call a socialist, not to mention her running to the media to undermine her SOCIALIST leader..

what do you think makes her a socialist?

Shes not a Socialist.

 

But then shes not in the Socialist Workers party. Shes in the Labour party. A party that is supposed to be somewhat inclusive.

 

There is a very good reason why the Socialist parties never got a foot hold in UK politics.

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