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Should we have a 2nd referendum now we know the deal?  

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  1. 1. Should we have a 2nd referendum now we know the deal?

    • Yes
      64
    • No
      122
    • I wont be voting anyway Im sick of it all
      4


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10 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Truman.....

Having questioned your views on immigration,what are the hundreds of other demands forced on us by the EU that conflict with the demands made under our own sovereignty.

Its not the straight banana edict is it?

Think you're asking the wrong person.....  😀

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18 minutes ago, RJRB said:

I can’t see that your response addresses the point I made that it is those in favour of Brexit who having won their vote cannot now agree on an acceptable form of Brexit.

However you have at least been straightforward in stating your reasons for your decision,and it’s straight out of the Farage version of Project Fear.

Its more likely that our old Nans will be treated by an immigrant doctor,nursed by an immigrant nurse,and be surrounded by immigrant support staff.

When she gets home then there’s a fair chance that she will be visited by a care service dependant on immigrant workers.

So because the Sun or Mail or Express chooses to highlight some particular,possibly unfair case, then the likes of yourself are prepared to throw the babies out with the bath water.

There are things to be fought from within the EU,but I suspect that your views are largely based on hearsay rather than personal experience.

I forgot to add you may not be an alien but your views are entirely alien to my own .

There is a modern misconception that immigrants are all doctors, nurses and support staff. They are not. However there are a huge number of them who do nothing. Certain areas of Sheffield are teeming with foreign nationals who don't do anything but claim benefits and housing. That's all well and good in moderation but completely unsustainable when they will not contribute and we as a country have no say in the levels. You might think we have a say, but we do not.

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3 minutes ago, apelike said:

So how many fields were affected, when and what were the crops?

Feel free to ask the National Farmers Union, which recently surveyed their members and found that many are suffering financial losses due to food being unpicked and left to rot as a result of lack of staff.

 

Alison Capper, the chair of the NFU’s horticulture board said her personal loss due to unpicked Gala eating apples was £30,000.

 

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13 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

There is a modern misconception that immigrants are all doctors, nurses and support staff. They are not.

A great many are though.

 

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However there are a huge number of them who do nothing. Certain areas of Sheffield are teeming with foreign nationals who don't do anything but claim benefits and housing.

Again, misinformation.

 

We are not in shengen.

 

EU migrants have no right to claim any benefits, and must leave within 3 months if they haven't found employment.

 

Any failure to enforce this is entirely down to UK government policy/incompetance.

 

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That's all well and good in moderation but completely unsustainable when they will not contribute and we as a country have no say in the levels.

On average, EU citizens contribute more to the public purse than UK nationals. EU migrants are more sustainable than UK nationals, in-fact they subsidise UK nationals to the tune of 5p in every pound.

 

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You might think we have a say, but we do not.

Hopelessly incorrect and miss-informed.

 

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3 minutes ago, Magilla said:

A great many are though.

 

Again, misinformation.

 

We are not in shengen.

 

Immigrants have no right to claim any benefits, and must leave within 3 months if they haven't found employment.

 

Any failure to enforce this is entirely down to UK government policy/incompetance.

 

On average, EU citizens contribute more to the public purse than UK nationals. EU migrants are more sustainable than UK nationals, in-fact they subsidise UK nationals.

 

Hopelessly inncorrect and miss-informed.

 

Just the irony that you spell the word "incorrect" with two "N,s" is enough to disregard you x

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14 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

However there are a huge number of them who do nothing. Certain areas of Sheffield are teeming with foreign nationals who don't do anything but claim benefits and housing.

More xenophobic fake news!

 

Even before the 2016 referendum it was widely reported that newly arrived immigrants from the EU were not entitled to benefits and that immigrants make a net contribution to our economy and have no detrimental effect on housing, education and healthcare provision.

 

Anyone in 2016 still spreading the lie that immigrants are a drain on our economy after endless discussion of the subject is either very stupid or a racist.

 

Which one are you BrexitGuy?

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Not much of a choice there TCH. 

Although the media is up and down how many are here illegally, the general consensus is between 70-310 thousand. 

Of course, these people can live here under the radar as they don't use public services at all. 

Probably invisible. Just how EU sympathisers choose to wear their blinkers x

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26 minutes ago, truman said:

Yes there are loads of report about the future shortage of farm labourers to pick fruit and veg which can be validated and is what the farmers are mainly complaining about. The stories about produce being left in the field to rot however is mainly without much evidence. Supposedly because releasing that information may undermine the confidence in their supermarket customers.  Supermarkets rely mostly on supply and demand and have not suffered any consequences of short supply this past season so it cannot have had much effect and what may have rotted cant have been much.

 

Now this is what is happening with some of the farmers supply but its not brexit worthy news:

 

http://wildlifearticles.co.uk/wonky-parsnips-welcome-why-is-so-much-food-being-wasted-by-supermarkets/

 

 

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38 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

Just the irony that you spell the word "incorrect" with two "N,s" is enough to disregard you x

Given your utterly misinformed notions re: EU migration and health tourism there isn't much else you can do :hihi:

 

The real irony is that you think you're making life better for your old nan, but are actually doing the opposite, demonstrably so :loopy:

 

Turkey's... etc

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11 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

More xenophobic fake news!

 

Even before the 2016 referendum it was widely reported that newly arrived immigrants from the EU were not entitled to benefits and that immigrants make a net contribution to our economy and have no detrimental effect on housing, education and healthcare provision.

 

Anyone in 2016 still spreading the lie that immigrants are a drain on our economy after endless discussion of the subject is either very stupid or a racist.

 

Which one are you BrexitGuy?

Interesting how you always try and play the racist/xenophobe card and are not fully being honest yourself, don't you know that immigrants bring their families which use health and education services, these do have an impact, there is a certain school in Sheffield which had issues highlighted on the news lately, and have you sat for several hours in A&E lately ?

It's 2018 now by the way and the reason the country is in a political quagmire is purely because people like you and likeminded arrogant, self righteous politicians ignored ordinary peoples concerns about immigration, it's not all rosy in the garden so spread less of your own fake news, it's not down to people reading the Sun or the DM either, you and your ilk constantly try and put down the opinions of those who disagree with your views, yet they are probably just as knowledgeable, informed and most likely more familiar with the reality than the likes of you !

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The personal comments and childish bickering ends now. 

If you cant post without resorting to this then please dont post at all.

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