Cyclone   10 #109 Posted November 12, 2018 Many deaths have been linked to not vaccinating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman   10 #110 Posted November 12, 2018 The lifelong scar you'll have on your arm as a result of undertaking a medical procedure is evidence of harm,as is the physical pain you are feeling. Many autoimmune diseases have been strongly linked to vaccination.  Lifelong scar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Daven   10 #111 Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) The lifelong scar you'll have on your arm as a result of undertaking a medical procedure is evidence of harm,as is the physical pain you are feeling. Many autoimmune diseases have been strongly linked to vaccination.  Lifelong scar ? Medical procedure ? It's an injection with a tiny needle not open heart surgery But potentially life saving too Edited November 12, 2018 by Daven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RiffRaff   10 #112 Posted November 12, 2018 The lifelong scar you'll have on your arm as a result of undertaking a medical procedure is evidence of harm,as is the physical pain you are feeling. Many autoimmune diseases have been strongly linked to vaccination.  You mean the slight, almost imperceptable, discolouration on my upper arm? That's my modelling career down the drain, then! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Daven   10 #113 Posted November 12, 2018 Over 7200 staff members in the Sheffield Teaching Hospitals Trust have had their 'flu jabs in the last 6 weeks- quite an achievement I would say Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Padders   2,751 #114 Posted November 12, 2018 Over 7200 staff members in the Sheffield Teaching Hospitals Trust have had their 'flu jabs in the last 6 weeks- quite an achievement I would say  Very good daven, just out of curiosity I wonder how many will get the flu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Daven   10 #115 Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Very good daven, just out of curiosity I wonder how many will get the flu.  Without a crystal ball - who knows but not many because they have had the jab. Ask me again in Spring 2019 But at least they have a fighting chance and won't infect vulnerable patients or their own families.. Without the jab you are on your own and at risk. Flu is a killer - why take the risk ? Edited November 12, 2018 by Daven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Ontarian1981   10 #116 Posted November 12, 2018 The lifelong scar you'll have on your arm as a result of undertaking a medical procedure is evidence of harm,as is the physical pain you are feeling. Many autoimmune diseases have been strongly linked to vaccination.  Lifelong scar lol, In 1989 I was T boned by a redlight runner and needed over 100 stitches in my left arm due to multiple deep lacerations. No signs of a scar anywhere.a year or so later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RiffRaff   10 #117 Posted November 13, 2018 Very good daven, just out of curiosity I wonder how many will get the flu.  The same question was posed to a BBC medical expert a few weeks ago, and the answer was that the expectation was circa 40% "failure". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Daven   10 #118 Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) The same question was posed to a BBC medical expert a few weeks ago, and the answer was that the expectation was circa 40% "failure".  But 60% didn't - failure not. How would you feel if you were admitted to hospital and none of the staff had had their flu jabs ? Edited November 13, 2018 by Daven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
MAC33 Â Â 10 #119 Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) China is planning new laws that would allow people to sue drug makers for punitive damages in cases of death or serious illness caused by faulty vaccines. Â The draft Vaccine Management Law, posted online for public consultation on Sunday night, follows the country's largest vaccine safety scandal earlier this year. Â The State Administration for Market Regulation said past scandals have exposed numerous flaws in supervision and in vaccine production and distribution. Â The new legislation is designed to establish a long-term supervision system by integrating articles from different pieces of legislation. Â The new legislation allows patients and families to sue vaccine makers and distributors for punitive damages if they knowingly sell faulty vaccines that cause death or serious illness. Â "This is the first time punitive damages have been introduced in civil cases relating to health," said Zhu Yonggen, a Beijing-based medical lawyer. Â "Victims have never been awarded compensation higher than the actual amount of financial losses, including funeral fees, hospital bills and compensation for pay during sick leave." Â Zhu also said the Supreme People's Court would need to issue guidelines before local courts can give any ruling on punitive damages. Â China has been hit by a string of vaccine safety scandals in recent years, although there have no officially confirmed reports of deaths of serious injuries caused by faulty vaccines. Â Currently if it is proved that a vaccine caused adverse health effects, victims will be liable for compensation from the local health authority if the vaccine was part of a national immunisation programme or from the drug makers if it is outside the scope of such programmes. Â The level of compensation depends on the economic status of the area where the vaccine is administered. Â The legislation is being introduced months after China's second largest rabies vaccine maker Changchun Changsheng Life Sciences was found to have falsified its production records, used out-of-date materials, mixed different batches of products and failed to test them properly. Â Fourteen company executives and staff members were detained over the scandal and senior officials were sacked. Â Although the company was fined 9.1 billion yuan (US$1.3 billion) and ordered to set up a compensation scheme to pay victims up to 650,000 yuan, demands for tougher regulations have been mounting. Â Previous scandals have included the case of a major drug maker which was found to have sold 400,520 inferior DPT vaccines and a public outcry the previous year when it emerged that 570 million yuan of improperly stored or expired vaccines had been illegally sold across the country for years. Â The new law identifies some violations as "serious breaches of the law", such as fabricating production inspection logs, changing batch numbers, filing fake data for lot releases, failing to recall substandard vaccine. Â Such violations could see firms losing their licences and subject to fines worth five to 10 times the value of the products in question. Â Legal representatives and staff holding key posts in the companies involved are liable to have their profits confiscated and be barred from the industry for 10 years. Â Meanwhile, officials who fail in their regulatory responsibilities or are found to be involved in cover-ups or interfering with investigations will be punished "severely". Â Â https://www.sott.net/article/400524-China-plans-to-let-victims-sue-vaccine-makers-for-punitive-damages-after-string-of-scandals Edited November 13, 2018 by MAC33 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RiffRaff   10 #120 Posted November 13, 2018 But 60% didn't - failure not. How would you feel if you were admitted to hospital and none of the staff had had their flu jabs ?  You asked a question - I answered it, quoting a medical expert. I'm not arguing any point. I simply answered your question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...