Cyclone   10 #25 Posted October 10, 2018 Me too to a great extent - Ecclesall Road links direct to the inner ring road - I'm pretty sure access from Psalter Lane is a lot more difficult.  Not really, it links directly to London Rd or alternatively to ER up by Waitrose.  ---------- Post added 10-10-2018 at 15:39 ----------  the solution to air pollution isn't to direct HGV's along residential streets.  This isn't looking for a solution to air pollution. And Psalter Lane whilst it's residential is better flowing than ER, so the pollution from HGVs will be better not worse.  ---------- Post added 10-10-2018 at 15:43 ----------  If you read the details, the project is about banning HGV's on four streets, not just Psalter Lane. The £200k is the cost for all four streets. Psalter Lane is estimated at £48k. All of the proposals are responses to residents complaints about HGV's using inappropriate routes (to avoid congested principal routes in the case of Psalter Lane).  The full report is on this page: http://democracy.sheffield.gov.uk/ieDecisionDetails.aspx?ID=2109 in the attachments at the bottom. The technical evaluation is the Appendix.  Perhaps they should spend the money improving the primary routes so that the HGVs don't want to use secondary routes... Carrot rather than unenforceable micro managing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Planner1   428 #26 Posted October 10, 2018 Perhaps they should spend the money improving the primary routes so that the HGVs don't want to use secondary routes... Carrot rather than unenforceable micro managing. That kind of money won’t buy any significant improvement to a main road.  The weight restrictions are enforceable by the police, same as many other restrictions.  You could take the view that local residents have, over a lengthy period, raised concerns with the Council.  The Council can now show that they have listened and done the maximum that they are able to do to address the concerns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #27 Posted October 11, 2018 The report acknowledges that it's basically impossible to enforce. Even before the huge police cuts there was little chance of a patrol car following a given HGV right through the area to determine that it wasn't just making a delivery.  You take the view that having performed a study it turned out that the residents concerns were basically without merit. Or you could throw money at a problem in a way that won't actually solve it, exacerbating problems elsewhere, but being able to claim "you've done something"... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
How Ark   10 #28 Posted October 11, 2018 Psalter Lane is a main arterial route..its traffic sensitive under New Roads and Streetworks Act. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
lil-minx92 Â Â 10 #29 Posted October 11, 2018 Psalter Lane is a main arterial route..its traffic sensitive under New Roads and Streetworks Act. Â What does this mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
geared   302 #30 Posted October 11, 2018 and why does that make it ok to dump even more traffic on Eccy Road?  Which itself is a main arterial route. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Planner1 Â Â 428 #31 Posted October 11, 2018 What does this mean? Â It's about how roadworks are planned and controlled by the local authority. Â Under section 64 of the New Roads and Street Works Act 1991 streets may be designated as traffic sensitive. Â A traffic sensitive street is a street where any work will create unacceptable delays and disruption to users at specified times. Â To minimise disruption on a traffic sensitive street, an increased notification period for any works is required, which may result in the local authority specifying the best time for the work to be undertaken (could be overnight, weekends, out of peak hours, during school holidays etc). Â ---------- Post added 11-10-2018 at 14:24 ---------- Â Psalter Lane is a main arterial route..its traffic sensitive under New Roads and Streetworks Act. Â Most streets that carry any volume of traffic are designated as traffic sensitive, doesn't mean they are a main arterial route. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
lil-minx92   10 #32 Posted October 11, 2018 It's about how roadworks are planned and controlled by the local authority. Under section 64 of the New Roads and Street Works Act 1991 streets may be designated as traffic sensitive.  A traffic sensitive street is a street where any work will create unacceptable delays and disruption to users at specified times.  To minimise disruption on a traffic sensitive street, an increased notification period for any works is required, which may result in the local authority specifying the best time for the work to be undertaken (could be overnight, weekends, out of peak hours, during school holidays etc).  ---------- Post added 11-10-2018 at 14:24 ----------   Most streets that carry any volume of traffic are designated as traffic sensitive, doesn't mean they are a main arterial route.  Thank you for your clear explanation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Planner1 Â Â 428 #33 Posted October 11, 2018 and why does that make it ok to dump even more traffic on Eccy Road? Ecclesall Rd has heavy traffic throughout the day. A relatively modest number of additional HGV's over the day won't make any appreciable difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
How Ark   10 #34 Posted October 11, 2018 Ecclesall Rd has heavy traffic throughout the day. A relatively modest number of additional HGV's over the day won't make any appreciable difference.   These are diesel belching lorries stuck in the heavy traffic creating more pollution. The engineering report confirms that. And if its such a modest number why all the fuss from a few privileged persons living in big houses with front gardens. And why change the status quo and make matters worse for more people ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Planner1   428 #35 Posted October 11, 2018 These are diesel belching lorries stuck in the heavy traffic creating more pollution. The engineering report confirms that. And if its such a modest number why all the fuss from a few privileged persons living in big houses with front gardens. And why change the status quo and make matters worse for more people ? The volume of HGV’s in question will not make any noticeable difference to pollution levels on Ecclesall Rd.  Basically, the residents of Psalter Lane ( and the other locations) have been complaining about HGV traffic and it doesn’t appear people on Ecclesall Road have.  Ecclesall Rd and Psalter Lane are very different in character and it is understandable that the residents of Psalter Lane might feel that it should not be an HGV route. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #36 Posted October 11, 2018 So it's NIMBYs and the council have decided that after a study saying there's no good reason to restrict the road, decided they will restrict the road... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...