Knife attacks in Sheffield 2018

[Top Cats Hat 10]

 

......... but the little tykes might have to to put some effort in to attain these positions .... God forbid !!

 

There is an element of truth in that.

 

In the old days, a way out of a job in a factory was to be good at sports and become a professiona,l or form a band and get a record deal. Both options involved a lot of hard work with no guarantee of success. A lot of young people's aspirations these days is to either win the lottery or become a celebrity both of which require very little effort, just a lot of luck.

 

Coupled with that is this growing obsession with 'things'. A friend of mine's son has just turned 18 and his ma bought him a cheap runaround (Nissan Micra) so the insurance would be cheap and the inevitable new driver knocks and dinks would not be the end of the world. He kicked up an unholy fuss because he wanted a new car or at least a second hand performance car.

 

This sense of entitlement extends into gang crime where people expect to have 'things' as a matter of right.

[Guest makapaka]

and the more you tell them that, then no wonder they feel disenfranchised. There's plenty of opportunities out there ......... but the little tykes might have to to put some effort in to attain these positions .... God forbid !!

 

What type of positions are you talking about for say an 18 year old lad with minimal academic qualifications?

[Ontarian1981 10]

How is it relevant?

 

The fact that you have to ask that shows you are not of my generation. I could go on for hours but would only be repeating things that have been said a thousand times on here in various threads.

In short, there is a complete lack of respect for authority on the streets or in the home by a lot of today's young people. Also they are the "must have" generation, irrespective of whether they can afford it. Of course the marketing media have to take some blame here, as they create so much peer pressure on kids and financial strain their parents.

[tinfoilhat 11]

There aren’t enough worthwhile jobs - we closed all our industry - there’s nothing for a lot of these kids.

 

There's plenty of work for young EU immigrants, and has been for a while.

[iansheff 88]

Enough is enough, the people that are arrested must be given the maximum sentences and show that the system is going to finally get it's act together. Maybe when some of the idiots that carry these weapons see that they will be going to prison for a long time they will hopefully think before going out armed with knives.

[Anna B 1,414]

There aren’t enough worthwhile jobs - we closed all our industry - there’s nothing for a lot of these kids.

 

There's a lot of truth in that.

 

Not only the jobs but the communities have gone too.

 

When young lads like these worked down the mines or in the steelworks or factories they worked with, and were supervised by big strong men who demanded respect and got it. They kept them in line and showed them how to go on, what was acceptable behaviour and what wasn't in no uncertain terms etc. They usually had a sense of humour, common sense and were down to earth making them good male role models and mentors.

 

Alas, all this disappeared along with the jobs.

[Penistone999 10]

There's plenty of work for young EU immigrants, and has been for a while.

 

Its not very often we agree on something, but you are spot on . There IS work out there for the young uns , the problem is a lot of our " homegrown" teenagers just dont want to work .

[Guest makapaka]

There's plenty of work for young EU immigrants, and has been for a while.

 

What kind of work?

 

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There's a lot of truth in that.

 

Not only the jobs but the communities have gone too.

 

When young lads like these worked down the mines or in the steelworks or factories they worked with, and were supervised by big strong men who demanded respect and got it. They kept them in line and showed them how to go on, what was acceptable behaviour and what wasn't in no uncertain terms etc. They usually had a sense of humour, common sense and were down to earth making them good male role models and mentors.

 

Alas, all this disappeared along with the jobs.

 

Absolutely right.

[jaffa1 10]

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Er, what about the Sheffield Gangs, though that was a long time ago,

 

They're didn't use knives or guns, they fought with cellar grates.

[paula4sheff 10]

Its not very often we agree on something, but you are spot on . There IS work out there for the young uns , the problem is a lot of our " homegrown" teenagers just dont want to work .

 

Don't you think that "not wanting to work" is symptomatic of wider problems surrounding a complete lack of connection with their environment, and a complete failure to see any hope or opportunity in the future?

 

Let's be honest - you don't get to the point of stabbing someone else without being absolutely at the end of the line in terms of caring about not just others, but also the consequences to yourself.

 

That's been allowed to happen by funding cuts to things that aimed to change these feelings, and by successive government policies designed to favour the very rich in society at the expense of the very poor.

 

NO ONE is defending or trying to justify these actions at all: they're shameful and I think we all hope justice is metered out and that punishments are severe. But we also have to look at the wider picture, unless we want things to endlessly repeat, and ask exactly why many teenagers feel so disengaged that they are willing to kill someone else.

 

(In terms of the 'jobs for young EU workers' discussion it's quite different. Many of these young workers come for a few years to save money which they can then take back to their poorer economy and live more comfortably on in the future. For the sake of that they're willing to do hard menial jobs that have no future or progression to them, with a longer term goal ahead of them. When you don't have that aim of escaping to a better live dangled in front of you it's not hard to see why people are utterly depressed at the prospect of some of that work.)

[Guest makapaka]

The fact that you have to ask that shows you are not of my generation. I could go on for hours but would only be repeating things that have been said a thousand times on here in various threads.

In short, there is a complete lack of respect for authority on the streets or in the home by a lot of today's young people. Also they are the "must have" generation, irrespective of whether they can afford it. Of course the marketing media have to take some blame here, as they create so much peer pressure on kids and financial strain their parents.

 

No - you are comparing two entirely different generations and therefore the actions of previous generations has nothing to do with the current generations.

 

I don’t know what generation you’re from - but I also guarantee it wasn’t as perfect as people will make out either.

[tinfoilhat 11]

What kind of work?

 

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Absolutely right.

 

I've worked at hotels with young eu migrants - often they were managers and they weren't any older than mid twenties. Was towed off a motorway by a young lad called Maris who looked about 12. Warehousing work obviously, and a couple who work in my chippy, who are by the way, delightful. They've been there ages.