Climate Change thread

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9 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

There is the problem. We CANNOT at present under EU law help our heavy industries aka British Steel.

Germany has handed over 40 times more in energy subsidies to heavy industry since 2013 than the UK, a choice that's nothing to do with the EU, merely UK goverment policy.

 

9 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

While the Chinese make half of the WORLDS steel using mainly coal to generate their power and it's heavily subsidised, then they flood the market with it. 

That's what tarrifs are for, and again, something successive UK governments have voted against.

 

Gareth Stace, director general of the trade association UK Steel:

"Leaving the EU has the potential to cause a great deal of damage to exports, weakening an already troubled sector"

 

Leaving the EU won't help British Steel, quite the opposite, it's hastening it's demise.

[Voice of reason 0]

Let's not turn it into a brexit or british steel thread.

In general rules can be set either within the eu or external to it when we leave, that stipulate the conditions under which products must be made to allow them to be imported.

That can range from coal pollutants, to plastic waste, to disposal of chemical waste.

Edited May 30, 2019 by Voice of reason

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5 hours ago, Voice of reason said:

Let's not turn it into a Brexit or British steel thread.

 

 

 

I have always seen the positive side of tariffs, all this 'free trade' nonsense is just that, nonsense. It favours the big multinationals, when we should be encouraging more local production.

We should not have punitive tariffs, just a small tax on trade that has a high carbon footprint because it is coming into the UK from far away.

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7 hours ago, El Cid said:

 

I have always seen the positive side of tariffs, all this 'free trade' nonsense is just that, nonsense. It favours the big multinationals, when we should be encouraging more local production.

We should not have punitive tariffs, just a small tax on trade that has a high carbon footprint because it is coming into the UK from far away.

What happens though is that countries respond by putting "small tariffs" on your exports to balance the tariff on their goods.  And often country A doesn't feel like this is fair, and so they change the tariffs around, and so it goes.  And you get Trump and China and every business suffers, people suffer, pensions suffer, nobody benefits.

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On 29/05/2019 at 22:49, WiseOwl182 said:

It's scaremongering tripe. I'd put all my money on there being no issue with our water supply within 10 years.

What is your bet based on. The probability of occurrence is very high.

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1 hour ago, Cyclone said:

What happens though is that countries respond by putting "small tariffs" on your exports to balance the tariff on their goods.  And often country A doesn't feel like this is fair, and so they change the tariffs around, and so it goes.  And you get Trump and China and every business suffers, people suffer, pensions suffer, nobody benefits.

 

WTO have tariffs.

 

The EU has tariffs on some goods entering the EU, the average EU tariff on agriculture was roughly 11% in 2016, compared to about 4% for other products.

 

All this free trade, is just nonsense.

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1 hour ago, cristalker said:

What is your bet based on. The probability of occurrence is very high.

 

This is a statement from Yorkshire Water - “Thanks to our customers using less water, restrictions are less likely, but we never allow ourselves to be complacent and we are increasing resources out on the street fixing leaks to ensure that we are doing our bit.”

 

Because the UK climate is changing and the population is growing, there is already a 'water shortage' at times.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/990222/uk-hosepipe-ban-2018-yorkshire-water-is-there-a-hosepipe-ban-uk-north-west-england

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On 29/05/2019 at 22:49, WiseOwl182 said:

It's scaremongering tripe. I'd put all my money on there being no issue with our water supply within 10 years.

Thames Water already have a desalination plant and more are predicted.

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8 hours ago, Cyclone said:

What happens though is that countries respond by putting "small tariffs" on your exports to balance the tariff on their goods.  And often country A doesn't feel like this is fair, and so they change the tariffs around, and so it goes.  And you get Trump and China and every business suffers, people suffer, pensions suffer, nobody benefits.

Would you support tariffs on goods that are made using environmentally disastrous methods, or with sweat shop labour?

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7 hours ago, El Cid said:

 

WTO have tariffs.

 

The EU has tariffs on some goods entering the EU, the average EU tariff on agriculture was roughly 11% in 2016, compared to about 4% for other products.

 

All this free trade, is just nonsense.

Yes, but literally no country wants to trade under WTO rules, that's why they make so many treaties to make trade easier.

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20 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

Would you support tariffs on goods that are made using environmentally disastrous methods, or with sweat shop labour?

No, I'd find a better way to deal with it, for example make it impossible for UK trading companies to legally use sweatshop labour without adhering to legally defined standards.

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40 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

No, I'd find a better way to deal with it, for example make it impossible for UK trading companies to legally use sweatshop labour without adhering to legally defined standards.

so do you mean ban imports that didn't adhere to our Health and safety and Environmental standards at source of manufacture?