Climate Change thread

[WiseOwl182 10]

1 hour ago, SnailyBoy said:

Which is obviously nonsense.

 

Here's some info to educate yourself.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/may/16/climate-change-scienceofclimatechange

It's not "nonsense" that climate change has always happened with or without humans. The earth's climate has always changed in cycles. The debate is the extent to which modern civilisation is impacting it.

[El Cid 212]

1 hour ago, WiseOwl182 said:

It's not "nonsense" that climate change has always happened with or without humans. The earth's climate has always changed in cycles. The debate is the extent to which modern civilisation is impacting it.

 

That might be your 'debate' but every major scientific body accepts man-made climate change. What do you know that the majority of 'science' does not?

[WiseOwl182 10]

17 minutes ago, El Cid said:

That might be your 'debate' but every major scientific body accepts man-made climate change. What do you know that the majority of 'science' does not?

I'm not saying whether or not I "accept man made climate change", I'm saying the debate is around how much the impact is in the planet (and how much is happening anyway in the traditional, non-man-made way). Normal climate change that has happened for millions of years did not suddenly stopped the moment we burned some coal, you know 

[El Cid 212]

1 minute ago, WiseOwl182 said:

I'm not saying whether or not I "accept man-made climate change",

 

Why not, are you an MP who does not like to commit?

[Broakham 10]

41 minutes ago, El Cid said:

That might be your 'debate' but every major scientific body accepts man-made climate change. What do you know that the majority of 'science' does not?

Of course every major scientific body accepts man-made climate change, but that does not mean that they reject naturally occuring climate change. WiseOwl182 is quite correct to say the current  debate also involves how man-made change contributes to natural change, it would be flawed science not to do so.

 

For anyone who doubts natural-climate change, here is a graph of the last 420000 years of climate change extracted from the ice cores at the Russian research station 

in the Antarctic 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg

Edited February 16, 2019 by Broakham

[janie48 95]

7 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

I doubt it.  Teenagers may have some reasoned understanding  and ability to freeform a statement but the toddlers and primary kids who I heard on the local news on Friday certainly did not. 

 

"Teaching" is one thing.  Parents and teachers thrusting their own views and opinions through their kids is entirely another.  

 

I'm not some climate change denier.  I know the importance of humans needing to change but let's not use children to falsely attract sympathy and interest.  

 

Who really are the protestors in this action?  Who really is behind it existance?  

 

All about the kids my backside adult influence is all over this.   Is their some junior edition of the socialist worker they all read eh?   Do all those year 11s have an interest in " Tory's out".   Do those kids from finger painting class reguarly quote Donald trump enough to put it on a placard.  

Well the teenagers I heard were mature, confident, and very well informed, who certainly didn't seem the types who would allow themselves to be influenced or controlled  by any of their teachers political views. 

 

Edited February 16, 2019 by janie48

[El Cid 212]

5 hours ago, Broakham said:

Of course every major scientific body accepts man-made climate change, but that does not mean that they reject naturally occuring climate change.

 

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Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver."

 

Man-made climate change is what is happening now, naturally occurring climate change is climate change without the influence of man. The two things are opposites.

Edited February 17, 2019 by El Cid

[WiseOwl182 10]

7 hours ago, El Cid said:

Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver."

 

Man-made climate change is what is happening now, naturally occurring climate change is climate change without the influence of man. The two things are opposites.

No they're not. Complete rubbish. Just because one is happening doesn't mean the other has stopped. As I said before, natural climate change didn't just stop the moment we first burnt some coal. They're happening in parallel, they're not mutually exclusive.

Edited February 17, 2019 by WiseOwl182

[El Cid 212]

1 hour ago, WiseOwl182 said:

No they're not. Complete rubbish. Just because one is happening doesn't mean the other has stopped. As I said before, natural climate change didn't just stop the moment we first burnt some coal. They're happening in parallel, they're not mutually exclusive.

Science says that human activities are the primary driver, we have now got you to say that you do not agree with the science, why was that so difficult?

[WiseOwl182 10]

22 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Science says that human activities are the primary driver, we have now got you to say that you do not agree with the science, why was that so difficult?

Where did I say that? I didn't. I said that there's a debate on proportions of man made Vs naturally occurring climate change. You're trying to claim the latter doesn't exist, implying all climate change is man made. That is simply. Not. True.

[alchresearch 214]

On 15/02/2019 at 12:37, woodmally said:

So all these children have decided not to turn up to school this has caused all the major polluters to suddenly change their policies and reduce climate change. 

 

What the media failed to mention was that it was half term  for many.  And a teacher training day for many more.  So many of the kids would have been off school anyway.

[TimmyR 10]

On 16/02/2019 at 16:25, FinBak said:

No use spouting off with silly links to equally silly sources and claims.

 

I am educated. I know that Climate change has occurred THROUGHOUT the Earths existence.

 

Humans will NEVER make any significant impact.

 

FACT.

you can write FACT after any rubbish but it doesn't make it true.  COuld you tell us what it is that makes you so knowledgeable to be able to refute the research of people who have dedicated their lives to studying climate change?

 

FYI I do not doubt that the climate changes naturally and has done throughout history, what I don't understand is why you are so certain that humans can't have an impact.  It has been proven with almost certainty that we have had an impact and a very significant one at that.

 

 

Edited February 28, 2019 by TimmyR