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Why has religion retained its appeal?

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3 minutes ago, woodview said:

I think you'll find there's lots of people who are all too fond of telling people how they should be living their lives. This forum contains depressing examples of that.

Yep, but in the context of this thread, it's about those who feel they have been told how people should or shouldn't be living their lives.

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5 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

Yep, but in the context of this thread, it's about those who feel they have been told how people should or shouldn't be living their lives.

So, are you against the village church being there, having a vicar, and the church goers organising jumble sales and toddler groups, because ISIS are also an organised religious group who chop peoples heads off?

Are we to stop any groups of 'like minded people' organising stuff, or just the ones who don't hold your set of beliefs and opinions?

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1 hour ago, woodview said:

So, are you against the village church being there, having a vicar, and the church goers organising jumble sales and toddler groups,

No

 

1 hour ago, woodview said:

because ISIS are also an organised religious group who chop peoples heads off?

Desperate exaggeration, I gave examples earlier

 

1 hour ago, woodview said:

Are we to stop any groups of 'like minded people' organising stuff, or just the ones who don't hold your set of beliefs and opinions?

It depends what they're organising. On reflection, no-one has suggested stopping anything.

 

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On 27/03/2019 at 13:54, CaptainSwing said:

The problems begin with the attitude to people outside the community - or to people inside the community who are not like-minded enough.  Most religions tend to develop a totalitarian streak, sooner or later.

 

In the end, the only community that matters (to me) is the community of humans.

Not morally good, specifically because morals change, but good for genetic propagation.

It doesn't really matter whether that's communities of cannibalistic child abusing totalitarians or communities of vegan, liberal, free thinking, democrats.
 

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On 27/03/2019 at 07:40, SnailyBoy said:

So it can be defined as anything really, it just manifests as personal experience?

Yes, the kind of personal experience that makes a person more likely to be a part of a community or society of people centred on belief.

On 27/03/2019 at 07:40, SnailyBoy said:

 

What does yours say to you?

That's irrelevant. I'm not talking about now. I'm addressing the OP directly.

Religion is a human behaviour that was once more useful than it is today. It's predicated upon the existence of spiritual/religious experiences in individuals. Given the ubqiuity of religion historically and geographically, it's reasonable to suppose these experience are universal., Given the state of natural selection in the community of humans today, the prediliction for religious/spiritual experience isn't likely to diminish very quickly.

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12 hours ago, Phanerothyme said:

Yes, the kind of personal experience that makes a person more likely to be a part of a community or society of people centred on belief.

That's irrelevant. I'm not talking about now. I'm addressing the OP directly.

Religion is a human behaviour that was once more useful than it is today. It's predicated upon the existence of spiritual/religious experiences in individuals. Given the ubqiuity of religion historically and geographically, it's reasonable to suppose these experience are universal., Given the state of natural selection in the community of humans today, the prediliction for religious/spiritual experience isn't likely to diminish very quickly.

How does an individual confirm that a personal experience is 'spiritual/religious'? 

12 hours ago, Phanerothyme said:

Not morally good, specifically because morals change, but good for genetic propagation.

How are you defining morality?

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On ‎27‎/‎03‎/‎2019 at 17:05, SnailyBoy said:

No

 

Desperate exaggeration, I gave examples earlier

 

It depends what they're organising. On reflection, no-one has suggested stopping anything.

 

I bet you sneer at the Salvation Army just because they're a Christian organisation.

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7 minutes ago, Hots on said:

I bet you sneer at the Salvation Army just because they're a Christian organisation.

Nope, I 'sneer' at them because of their attitude to our friends in the LGBTQ community.

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31 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

Nope, I 'sneer' at them because of their attitude to our friends in the LGBTQ community.

Is this the type of thing you dislike about them:

Anyone who comes to The Salvation Army will receive assistance based solely on their need and our capacity to provide help.  We work with people who are vulnerable and marginalised across the world, and offer very practical help, unconditional assistance and support regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

 

Prejudice comes in many forms doesn't it?

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3 minutes ago, woodview said:

Is this the type of thing you dislike about them:

Anyone who comes to The Salvation Army will receive assistance based solely on their need and our capacity to provide help.  We work with people who are vulnerable and marginalised across the world, and offer very practical help, unconditional assistance and support regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

 

Prejudice comes in many forms doesn't it?

No, it's about what they do in reality, rather than what they claim they do.

 

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/11/20/salvation-army-gay-marriage-christmas/

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3 minutes ago, woodview said:

Is this the type of thing you dislike about them:

Anyone who comes to The Salvation Army will receive assistance based solely on their need and our capacity to provide help.  We work with people who are vulnerable and marginalised across the world, and offer very practical help, unconditional assistance and support regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

 

Prejudice comes in many forms doesn't it?

In the news this week has been Muslim parents threatening to take their children out of schools for exposing them to LGBT issues. For the record I respect the Muslims stance, but you'll not hear the left  condemn them, not specifically anyway, if pressed the left will spinelessly blend it in with bigotry across the whole of society generally. 

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6 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

No, it's about what they do in reality, rather than what they claim they do.

 

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/11/20/salvation-army-gay-marriage-christmas/

Ahh , so you sneer at British Salvation Army , who are helping the most vulnerable in society, because of a US news story.

Just seems vindictive rather than open minded or tolerant.

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