Thailand Cave Rescue.

[Anna B 1,414]

Great news so far. I'm praying so hard for the rest.

[altus 540]

Great news! BBC are reporting (according to Thai navy) 4 rescued so far, maybe they're behind Sky in reporting?

Sky are now reporting 4 rescued so it looks like they were reporting rumours rather than confirming things first like proper journalists do.

 

Good news that the 4 boys are out and they've confirmed the extraction technique works. The Beeb are reporting they've finished for the day - they only have a limited number of sufficiently experienced divers who need to rest.

[cgksheff 44]

Sky are now reporting 4 rescued so it looks like they were reporting rumours rather than confirming things first like proper journalists do.

 

Good news that the 4 boys are out and they've confirmed the extraction technique works. The Beeb are reporting they've finished for the day - they only have a limited number of sufficiently experienced divers who need to rest.

 

I cross-referenced with Reuters at the time, and they were also reporting 6, but have now changed it to 4 with a correction acknowledged.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-accident-cave-rescue/four-boys-have-exited-thai-cave-officials-idUSKBN1JY0G7

[medusa 16]

every two bit observer who knows nothing, at all, about Thailand and the Thais have been in a rush to blame the coach for this as if the guy just made it up on the spur of the moment for the hell of it.

 

That particular Chiang Rai soccer team have been going down the very same cave at the very same time of year for years as a kind of a tradition. The elder siblings of the lads did the very same thing as these did without incident, so obviously the parents aren't going to be dumb or hypocritical enough to blame the coach even if there is plenty of idiot foreigners that will - all without a moment's hesitation or research of course.

 

 

So my long discussion with a Thai person about this counts as knowing nothing at all about Thailand to you. No problem.

 

 

I'd still like you to state clearly that you understand that I did not advocate putting ANYBODY up against a wall and this was invented entirely by yourself.

[altus 540]

I cross-referenced with Reuters at the time, and they were also reporting 6, but have now changed it to 4 with a correction acknowledged.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-accident-cave-rescue/four-boys-have-exited-thai-cave-officials-idUSKBN1JY0G7

At least Reuters have the grace to admit they got it wrong earlier. There does seem to be a tendency for some news organisations to be so keen to be the first to report on events that they don't worry too much about being accurate. People then come along accusing those that take the time to check things before reporting on them are slow. However, complaining about the quality of journalism is off topic for this thread so I'll leave further comments on that for another time.

[blake 10]

it wasn't the coach's fault as you said.

 

it wasn't a bunch of superstitious ignorant peasants being stupid, as somebody else implied either.

 

they group did what people around normally do around there apparently and had done for years and with nothing untoward happening on all the prior occasions. As a rite-of-passage type event, as is their custom, they decided to go deep into this cave as is not all that uncommon in Thai culture where it seems sleeping a dark cave for about a week with some rice, candles and a Buddha statue, is not unusual if somebody is facing an important decision. Only this time, there was a geological freak event.

 

it could have happened anywhere.

[Waldo 96]

it wasn't a bunch of superstitious ignorant peasants being stupid, as somebody else implied either.

 

Who implied that? I certainly didn't notice any suggestion of anything remotely close to that on this thread. Was something said on another forum?

[blake 10]

you wrote :

 

"unsafe or inappropriate rituals/traditions need challenging, not perpetuating."

 

that sounds pretty close to it, to me.

 

I don't know about this soccer team cavers group, but as it happens, quite a lot of Thais, and Cambodians, and Filipinos ARE a bunch of superstitious, suggestible peasants and I wouldn't attempt to deny it.

 

however this lets-go-down-the-cave for a bit of a laugh at the end of the soccer season and which got them into a whole heap of trouble on this occasion, isn't anything much to do with any of that. It' normal, unless you think sitting in a cave for 2 weeks next to a Buddhist shrine with a couple of kilos of rice and plenty of candles, when you are mulling over whether you want to accept a job offer in a different province is a sign that you are a superstitious suggestible peasant.

[Waldo 96]

you wrote :

 

"unsafe or inappropriate rituals/traditions need challenging, not perpetuating."

 

that sounds pretty close to it, to me.

 

Sounds like a flippin massive leap to me. Wish I had your imagination!

[Halibut 12]

it wasn't the coach's fault as you said.

 

it wasn't a bunch of superstitious ignorant peasants being stupid, as somebody else implied either.

 

they group did what people around normally do around there apparently and had done for years and with nothing untoward happening on all the prior occasions. As a rite-of-passage type event, as is their custom, they decided to go deep into this cave as is not all that uncommon in Thai culture where it seems sleeping a dark cave for about a week with some rice, candles and a Buddha statue, is not unusual if somebody is facing an important decision. Only this time, there was a geological freak event.

 

it could have happened anywhere.

 

No. There was a wholly possible and predictable seasonal weather event. Geology has nothing to with it.

[realcockney 10]

knowing the Thais and the Thai culture as i do i reckon the boys will do very well during the escape, the Thai mentality is very resilient and very strong they see good and positive in just about everything, god speed or Bhudda speed the boys out safely!

[francypants 441]

According to BBC news, another boy out safely.

 

Well done rescuers.