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23 minutes ago, El Cid said:

“Kenya sells us lots of flowers, which have a short shelf-life, and it currently trades with us on WTO rules. We have no problems there.”

Andrea Jenkyns MP, 9 January 2019

Incorrect. Kenya-EU trade is governed by a trade agreement that supersedes WTO rules and removes tariffs on the import of Kenyan flowers to the EU.

https://fullfact.org/europe/no-kenya-doesnt-export-flowers-eu-wto-terms/?fbclid=IwAR0nwNGKOsUnuM2GuBemVdJMTBTqAusc2dPu5OEpQfZdjwE4wSpBYYk6vDw

Of course, there's literally loads of examples of the same:

https://evolvepolitics.com/watch-knowledgeable-eu-van-driver-utterly-destroys-jacob-rees-moggs-brexit-bluster-with-firsthand-experience-video/

 

WTO  is the last resort, it's considered a "lifeboat".

 

Of course, lifeboats are used when the ship is sinking! :suspect:

 

'Basic questions unanswered' on Swiss trade deal:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46854002

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raises the prospect that the freedom of movement of people - which is currently a condition of the deal between the EU and Switzerland - would have to be accepted by the UK

 

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The campaign for the losers vote are getting desperate , they've now rolled out the 'tub of lard' as one of their advocates.

I never realised he was a Lord, I must start eating more cereals as this is the final proof that they must be giving the honours out in the packets of cornflakes. I worked with somebody in the eighties who was involved in local Labour politics and he said then that he would never be half the man his mother was.

The best thing that can be said about him is that he's not Kinnock, another Labour lord who's name rhymes with another seven letter word that best describes him which is an anagram of locklip, something he'd have been better off doing. Another advocate of the EU who managed to work himself a job there, then a job for his wife, then a job for his son, he'd probably got a job lined up for Kinnock the glint in somebody's eye.

Then you've got all the other Labour Lords who are all for the EU, Mandelson, Blunkett, etc.

I can't believe I voted for this lot for the best part of forty years while they were telling us they were going to get rid of the Lords, they soon changed their mind when they were asked to join the gravy train. We are expected to listen to and take notice of this group of shysters, I don't think so.

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3 minutes ago, gomgeg said:

The campaign for the losers vote are getting desperate , they've now rolled out the 'tub of lard' as one of their advocates.

I never realised he was a Lord, I must start eating more cereals as this is the final proof that they must be giving the honours out in the packets of cornflakes. I worked with somebody in the eighties who was involved in local Labour politics and he said then that he would never be half the man his mother was.

The best thing that can be said about him is that he's not Kinnock, another Labour lord who's name rhymes with another seven letter word that best describes him which is an anagram of locklip, something he'd have been better off doing. Another advocate of the EU who managed to work himself a job there, then a job for his wife, then a job for his son, he'd probably got a job lined up for Kinnock the glint in somebody's eye.

Then you've got all the other Labour Lords who are all for the EU, Mandelson, Blunkett, etc.

I can't believe I voted for this lot for the best part of forty years while they were telling us they were going to get rid of the Lords, they soon changed their mind when they were asked to join the gravy train. We are expected to listen to and take notice of this group of shysters, I don't think so.

Classic uneducated drivel. If you knew even half of the people in the upper house and what they did to get there then you wouldn’t say what you have. There was a reason they were the equivalent of the Supreme Court before that came into existence. 

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16 minutes ago, ez8004 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46853689

 

This would give MPs, rather than ministers, control of parliamentary business and sideline the prime minister.”

 

Parliamentary sovereignty at its best. What’s not to like?

Quite.

 

It's more preaching to the choir, Express readers.

 

It'll resonate, but they're not even in the top 10 in terms of readership so you have to wonder about Mays sincerity. Not exactly a serious effort to convince the wider population.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ez8004 said:

Classic uneducated drivel. If you knew even half of the people in the upper house and what they did to get there then you wouldn’t say what you have. There was a reason they were the equivalent of the Supreme Court before that came into existence. 

Calm down dear, you'll give yourself a seizure, why don't you relax and go and have a pint instead of spending all your time  scouring the internet for something to upset you.

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2 minutes ago, gomgeg said:

Calm down dear, you'll give yourself a seizure, why don't you relax and go and have a pint instead of spending all your time  scouring the internet for something to upset you.

Do you know how to debate? You have a reasonable level of education right? You are supposed to counter with a logical argument or fact based evidence to support your assertions. Learn to play. 

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Why don't just leave this corrupt union now , Its no rocket science ,It does not need the so called intellectuals to debate it for years and then still **** it up ,its simple the people have voted , Leave now.

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1 minute ago, Albert smith said:

Why don't just leave this corrupt union now , Its no rocket science ,It does not need the so called intellectuals to debate it for years and then still **** it up ,its simple the people have voted , Leave now.

It’s the educated that are going through the legal and parliamentary process of reaching an appropriate resolution whatever that might be. Panicking over what “might” happen are we? Why is that?

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16 minutes ago, ez8004 said:

Do you know how to debate? You have a reasonable level of education right? You are supposed to counter with a logical argument or fact based evidence to support your assertions. Learn to play. 

Like I said when I was voting Labour I always understood they were against the unelected politicians in the Lords and their intention was to get rid, but once in power when they had a big enough majority to do it they bottled it and joined in.

Fairly typical politicians, another of their policies was to get rid of fox hunting, something I don't have any particular opinion on. But once in power again they fudged it it and let down those who were against it and had given them their vote.

As regards my education, I left school at fifteen did my C&G during my apprenticeship and updated my qualifications enough to do my job for the next fifty years.

For  your information I voted Labour til Gordon Brown became PM and the labour government opened the borders to allow anyone from the EU to come here and claim benefits, and before you say they needn't have done that, exactly but they did and we are now expected to trust them.

Like most people I never had much of an opinion about the EU til then, but that changed when it became clear that certain politicians wanted a federal Europe, if it had remained a common market the whole issue of a referendum would never have arisen.

I'll leave you to it now as I'm offski to the pub, so as usual you can have the last word.

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I can't help but wonder if the EU has a vested interest in making brexit as painful as possible for us; in that they want to set a precedent, make an example of us for other member states to consider - what might happen to them, should they follow our lead. 

 

If if that is the case; then perhaps we should be treating brexit with all the seriousness as if it were war, looking to maximise the pain we give back. Then go for a no deal brexit, and at a later date we can negotiate a new relationship from a stronger position (stronger, not meaning we are in a better position, but that the EU has far more to gain by giving us a fair and equitable deal).

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15 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I can't help but wonder if the EU has a vested interest in making brexit as painful as possible for us; in that they want to set a precedent, make an example of us for other member states to consider - what might happen to them, should they follow our lead. 

They're not making it difficult.

 

They set out the requirements for the level of access we're asking for and we have rejected them.

 

If every other nation that enjoys that level of access has to abide by those requirements, why do you think the UK shouldn't?

 

Edited by Magilla

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