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3 minutes ago, apelike said:

It was not much of a majority though was it..303 to 296 votes.

 

 

Remind me of them massive majority in favour of brexit again..........................................................

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2 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Remind me of them massive majority in favour of brexit again..........................................................

OK...  1,269,501

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7 minutes ago, apelike said:

OK...  1,269,501

Is that with or without the 1m missing and disqualified ballot papers

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10 minutes ago, apelike said:

OK...  1,269,501

And in percentage terms how much different is the referendum result to the 303 to 296 which you say "is not much of a majority"?

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1 minute ago, I1L2T3 said:

Is that with or without the 1m missing and disqualified ballot papers

I think the results are calculated after the 26,033 rejected/disqualified ballot papers are taken off.. :)

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

And in percentage terms how much different is the referendum result to the 303 to 296 which you say "is not much of a majority"?

I'm sure you can work it out without me having to do it for you.

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1 hour ago, apelike said:

It was not much of a majority though was it..303 to 296 votes.

I hope you are not making the assumption that 296 of those MPs support no deal?

 

The vast majority of them are Tories who don't want no deal but are loyal to their own party. The only approximation of support for no deal is the 35 Tories who triggered the leadership challenge to Teresa May plus Kate Hoey and John Mann. Whatever the DUP say, they will not support no deal as it is the surest way to a United Ireland.

 

37 out of 600 is less than 4%.

 

The most relevant choice for Tory MPs will be No Brexit vs No Deal. No one really knows how that stands at the moment but the smart money would be a a strong showing for no Brexit. When May's deal is binned off, no deal vs no Brexit will be the only game in town.

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12 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

If we’d gone down the EEA/EFTA route we’d be done and dusted, and looking forward to March without too much trepidation.

 

If anybody is honest about it, it’s clear that the right wing of the Tory party has held the country to ransom. We’ve ended up in this mess because of their demands

There can’t be a no deal because the damage inflicted would so great any MP that supported it would be unelectable.

If we'd gone down the EEA/EFTA route then freedom of movement would continue which would make a mockery of the EU referendum result, 

 

If we are honest we've ended up in this mess because  the majority of MPs never wanted the UK to leave the EU and far too many of them don't respect the democratic wishes of the majority of the  people who voted in the EU referendum.  The only way Brexit would have happened smoothly is if the ruling party had campaigned to leave the EU and had a big majority in Parliament meaning their wishes mirrored the wishes of the democratic UK people.   

 

Yes there can be a no deal because that is the legal default position if the majority of MPs  vote against the Withdrawal deal Mrs May is supporting.  If a MP doesn't want the UK to leave the EU without a deal then they should support Mrs May's deal.

 

12 hours ago, tzijlstra said:

If you genuinely believe that, than you believe that the earth is flat. The past two years of economic stagnation could've been prevented if your theory was true. But carry on carrying on the torch...

Your post makes no sense. 

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20 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

If we'd gone down the EEA/EFTA route then freedom of movement would continue which would make a mockery of the EU referendum result.

Even for the majority of leave voters, economic prosperity trumps FoM.

 

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If we are honest we've ended up in this mess because  the majority of MPs never wanted the UK to leave the EU and far too many of them don't respect the democratic wishes of the majority of the  people who voted in the EU referendum.  The only way Brexit would have happened smoothly is if the ruling party had campaigned to leave the EU and had a big majority in Parliament meaning their wishes mirrored the wishes of the democratic UK people.

Utter nonsense, we've ended up in this position because Brexiteers failed to deliver at every possible junction.

 

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Yes there can be a no deal because that is the legal default position if the majority of MPs  vote against the Withdrawal deal Mrs May is supporting.  If a MP doesn't want the UK to leave the EU without a deal then they should support Mrs May's deal.

No-Brexit is better, that's what the public now want. No-deal won't happen.

 

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Your post makes no sense. 

I understood it perfectly :?

 

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14 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The Brexit play on Channel Four last night reminded me of just how little information we actually had during the referendum debate. It was largely a question of spin, catchy phrases, dog whistle politics and outright lies (the big red bus and Turkey about to join the EU, were the two that featured prominantly!)

 

You only had to look at the 'WTF  is this all about?' response to the question of the Irish border, to see how little time had been devoted to the actual realities of leaving the EU.

But it was still an unpopular PM and a "missing" Labour leader that allowed them to get away with it.

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1 hour ago, Jonny5 said:

But it was still an unpopular PM and a "missing" Labour leader that allowed them to get away with it.

Plus of course the avowed Brexit supporting Cabinet ministers who skilfully avoided leading the negotiations forward in the certain knowledge that they would fail.

 

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The only way Brexit would have happened smoothly is if ...

...we found the flying unicorns that were promised?

 

 

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15 hours ago, Magilla said:

MPs defeat government over no-deal preparations

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46803112

 

Ridiculous move. Akin to telling the car salesman you definitely won't walk out of the showroom without doing a deal.

Shows their naivity , and inability to work for a collectively acceptable conclusion.

 

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