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9 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

If you genuinely just do want to be passive, and just a passenger in this process then why are you posting?

Because I'm sick of hearing the constant moaning from remainers who just cannot accept that people voted differently to them. Constantly being told that the referendum was advisory only. Being told that it was the educationally challenged old people that voted leave. Being told that those that voted leave dont care about the future of their children or grand children. Being told that the majority of the population didnt vote to leave when that's pretty obvious as in our democracy only the electorate and the voters count. Being told that the Russians skewed the results.... Unfortunately there is plenty more but I will stop at that. 

 

But like it or not the main reason is that I have the right to post on SF just as much as anybody else and if people dont like what I post then they can use the ignore button or simply just dont post as its a 2 way thing. Notice how polite I normally am as well unlike many who post on here.

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And I am sick of leavers presenting their  opinions as thought they were sacrosanct and that they were gods-given source of knowledge of what the country wanted.

 

You seem to choose to ignore that over 50 % of the population did not vote to leave.

 

You seem to ignore that it has been proven that the leave campaign broke the LAW and have been proven to have done so.

 

You seem to ignore the fact that leavers are now saying (in their droves) that they want a second referendum so they can change their minds - as advocated by David Davies.

 

So we are both sick of hearing each other - status quo.

 

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14 minutes ago, Litotes said:

You seem to choose to ignore that over 50 % of the population did not vote to leave.

See previous post as this is a classic example.

15 minutes ago, Litotes said:

You seem to ignore that it has been proven that the leave campaign broke the LAW and have been proven to have done so.

And you seem to ignore that it has also been proven that remain broke the law as well.

 

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27 minutes ago, Litotes said:

You seem to ignore the fact that leavers are now saying (in their droves) that they want a second referendum so they can change their minds - as advocated by David Davies.

Not the David Davis bit again.. He was not talking about our democracy but the failure of the EU to allow the democratic elected countries to be able to change their minds on certain points once they have been admitted into the EU no matter how you try and spin it. 

 

Quote from the Independent:

 

Mr Davis said: “If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”.

At the time he was criticising the EU for imposing irreversible laws on member states - something the current Brexit Secretary said was "not just undemocratic, it is anti-democratic”.

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7 minutes ago, apelike said:

Not the David Davis bit again.. He was not talking about our democracy but the failure of the EU to allow the democratic elected countries to be able to change their minds on certain points once they have been admitted into the EU no matter how you try and spin it. 

 

Quote:

 

Mr Davis said: “If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”.

At the time he was criticising the EU for imposing irreversible laws on member states - something the current Brexit Secretary said was "not just undemocratic, it is anti-democratic”.

Ahhh, so a different democracy, not your every day type of democracy.

 

So when should our democracy get to change its mind?

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8 minutes ago, apelike said:

Mr Davis said: “If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”.

It still remains a valid statement.

 

In the same way that you seem to forget this one - In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. - Nigel Farage 2016

 

You didn't disagree at the time - so I imagine you still stand by the sentiment.

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Just now, Litotes said:

It still remains a valid statement.

It does indeed but not in the context of what you state.

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Just now, apelike said:

It does indeed but not in the context of what you state.

Whereas I prefer to take it in this context and agree with it.

2 minutes ago, apelike said:

It does indeed but not in the context of what you state.

Whereas I prefer to take it in this context and agree with it.

 

In fact, let's a look at what you say - you agree with the statement that a democracy should be allowed to change its mind - True?

but you don't agree that the country should be allowed another referendum to see if it has changed its mind now it know what 'Brexit" might look like? True?

 

So you contradict yourself? True?????

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9 minutes ago, Litotes said:

So you contradict yourself? True?????

No not true as I have never stated that this country should not be allowed another referendum.. Good try though.

12 minutes ago, Litotes said:

In the same way that you seem to forget this one - In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. - Nigel Farage 2016

 

You didn't disagree at the time - so I imagine you still stand by the sentiment.

BTW what time are you talking about and why do you assume that I am a Farage fanboy?

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14 minutes ago, apelike said:

No not true as I have never stated that this country should not be allowed another referendum.. Good try though.

 

Well you kinda did.

On 12/17/2018 at 5:47 PM, apelike said:

Yes it will.

 

For me however I will accept what parliament decide but I dont think it should be a public decision for reasons I have stated before.

 

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10 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

Well you kinda did.

I think you need to look up why people like to use the word "kinda":)

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2 hours ago, apelike said:

Because I'm sick of hearing the constant moaning from remainers who just cannot accept that people voted differently to them. Constantly being told that the referendum was advisory only. Being told that it was the educationally challenged old people that voted leave. Being told that those that voted leave dont care about the future of their children or grand children. Being told that the majority of the population didnt vote to leave when that's pretty obvious as in our democracy only the electorate and the voters count. Being told that the Russians skewed the results.... Unfortunately there is plenty more but I will stop at that. 

 

But like it or not the main reason is that I have the right to post on SF just as much as anybody else and if people dont like what I post then they can use the ignore button or simply just dont post as its a 2 way thing. Notice how polite I normally am as well unlike many who post on here.

Yes you have a right to post here. Of course you do. 

 

But you haven’t really answered the question. Why, if you believe the implementation of Brexit has nothing to do with you, do you keep posting?

 

I think the answers are:

1. You are concerned that Brexit might not happen. If you think that then maybe, whatever you say, the case for remain or at the least a very soft Brexit, has some credibility. If you were secure in the certainty of Brexit you wouldn’t get so excited.

2. Whatever you say you really do want a certain type of Brexit. If we went EEA I think we’d see some very angry Apelike posts on here, perhaps on certain days in response to right wing media and social media dog whistles.

3. You don’t like the way that the leave voters are profiled, mainly I suspect because a lot of what is said is an uncomfortable truth. There are other uncomfortable truths. You do know that the referendum was advisory. You do know the Russians got involved. You do know there were lies. You do know there was illegality. The list goes on and on. And it all feeds back into the insecurities I described in 1. These are all risks to Brexit, coupled of course with demographics shifting. And it all makes you angry.

 

This is not personal to you. Must leavers on here fit this pattern.

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