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7 hours ago, BrexitGuy said:

This is the crucial bit that remainers can't grasp.

It's the GOVERNMENT that can't get their eggs together, not the brexiteers. 

Everybody wants a solution, both sides. Nobody wants a boobs up deal as that's pretty corrosive to everybody on all sides but it's not unfixable. If the remain camp think for one minute that brexit will finish the UK and put lives at risk and god only knows what else, honestly pal, they need their heads looking at.

The vote was a clear in or out. The rest is up to the politicians that WE elect. 

History has a habit of change and this is no different. Who knows in X years time, there may be a referendum to join America or Vietnam into a super anti-carrier bag state.

Europe is just across the water and the whole world has managed to trade for decades with each other before we became financially burdened to it and not one single country will put its own economic structure at peril in order to appease the FAILING and utterly incompetent EU. They implement a new directive daily that fails and increase contribution to facilitate it.

We may just be the little men but why are so many big businesses also in favour of leave? Do you and the rest of the remain camp know something they don't?? Too much propaganda coming from remain, constantly threatening the end of civilization as we know it. A shameful show of undemocratic and utterly blinkered opinions that are fuelling this whole process. 

 

8 hours ago, mafya said:

The people who got off their arses to vote decided they wanted out of the EU in the referendum, it’s up to the govt to decide how we leave end of no ifs no buts no second bite at the referendum cherry etc etc.

 

You two will be supporting Mays deal then? After all it is out.

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7 hours ago, apelike said:

Oh dear, not the old "it was only advisory" bit that has been done to death many, many times on this forum, and it seems the only person that disputes its legality is you. It will be"think of the children" next. Oh, hang on.. I think that has also been done to death!

Plenty of people dispute the legality

 

As for the advisory nature of the referendum that will be of vital importance in the post mortem 

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3 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

Plenty of people dispute the legality

Any pending court challenges then?

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3 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

As for the advisory nature of the referendum that will be of vital importance in the post mortem 

Why? It is common knowledge that referendums in the UK are of an advisory nature unless parliament decrees otherwise beforehand as they did with the AV referendum. But parliament can also rule that the result of an advisory referendum can also be enacted upon especially so here as they knew Cameron had also promised the people the same. The mistake Cameron and parliament made was expecting an overwhelming remain vote and not planning at all for a leave vote. 

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52 minutes ago, apelike said:

Any pending court challenges then?

What do you mean by court challenges? I’ve never heard of that.

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1 hour ago, mafya said:

 

That's all good and well, but what any country in the eu feels, I don't really care. I live in the UK so care about what happens to us.

They have 27 economies, we have 1, safety in numbers.

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47 minutes ago, apelike said:

Why? It is common knowledge that referendums in the UK are of an advisory nature unless parliament decrees otherwise beforehand as they did with the AV referendum. But parliament can also rule that the result of an advisory referendum can also be enacted upon especially so here as they knew Cameron had also promised the people the same. The mistake Cameron and parliament made was expecting an overwhelming remain vote and not planning at all for a leave vote. 

So the results of referendums can be ignored by Parliament then. Cameron’s promises were similarly not legally binding, and no government is bound in any way by them in legal terms.

 

If a politician makes a mistake then there is no compulsion to realise the consequences of that mistake. 

 

This is all all going to be of vital importance in the aftermath. Even (currently) diehard Brexiters are going to use these arguments to weasel out of any sense of responsibility.

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5 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

What do you mean by court challenges? I’ve never heard of that.

The same as what Gina Miller did as the only way to dispute the legality of a government or parliamentary decision is to take it to court.

5 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

So the results of referendums can be ignored by Parliament then. Cameron’s promises were similarly not legally binding, and no government is bound in any way by them in legal terms.

It no longer matters that Cameron's promises were not legally binding as parliament have already accepted and approved them, and we have now moved on from that debate as it is a meaningless argument.

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6 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

Even (currently) diehard Brexiters are going to use these arguments to weasel out of any sense of responsibility.

Its basically the same as corporate responsibility where the employees (substitute for voters) are not responsible for the actions of the executive (substitute parliament). 

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17 hours ago, melthebell said:

That's all good and well, but what any country in the eu feels, I don't really care. I live in the UK so care about what happens to us.

They have 27 economies, we have 1, safety in numbers.

It's funny, isn't it?

 

When forecasts about the economic impact of Brexit on the UK are raised, it's "Project Fear", but when forecasts about the economic impact of the UK not paying its dues to the EU27 are raised, it's "cake and eating it", "the EU is doomed", "they need us more than we need them", etc,

 

Meanwhile, the French group Vinci just took majority ownership and control of Gatwick airport for £2.9bn, thanks to the devalued £. Must be what Brexiteers meant by "taking back control" 😏

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Meanwhile v2.0,  yesterday the Home Office also confirmed post-Brexit residency requirements for EUalreadyinUK. On the quiet of course.

 

For his £65 fee to keep the right to stay in his own home and job, perhaps tjizlstra can organise a whip round of all those Brexiteer SFers who consistently posted that 'nothing would change' for settled EU migrants for the past 2+ years?

 

Slow clap, lads, slow clap.

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