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1 minute ago, Magilla said:

I'm embarrassed  that you're embarrassed  considering the referendum would always split the nation.

 

What you should be embarrassed  about is the notion that the views of the 48% should be entirely ignored, something even arch Brexiteer Dan Hannan thinks is ridiculous. That's why Brexit is a failure.

 

Yes, it is.. entirely. For most of the world, the vote to  leave the EU is regarded as the stupidest decision a country has ever made.

 

It's because the views of the 48% haven't been ignored we are in this mess.  A binary choice is simple, you choose just one of the choices. The choice  was decided by the democratic vote.

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9 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

If we had been united including Parliament then the  EU would have known we would walk away from a bad deal and we would not have made the concessions we have done throughout the negotiating process. It doesn't matter whatever you're negotiating for, you only get a good deal  when the people on the other side of the negotiation know you're prepared to walk away.  

Are you suggesting then that after every GE everyone should agrre with the result..? Kinda makes having an opposition party a bit redundant.. We were in a poor position as soon as we voted "leave"..you can't expext 48% of the population to simply forget what they think is the right thing to do..

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9 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

It's because the views of the 48% haven't been ignored we are in this mess.

Nope, exactly the opposite, self evidently.

 

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A binary choice is simple, you choose just one of the choices. The choice  was decided by the democratic vote.

We could certainly leave on terms that are acceptable to the *vast* majority of the electorate, but we aren't.

 

It's the intransigence of Brexiteers that has scuppered any success that might have been made from Brexit, though even then, it was always a silly gamble.

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4 minutes ago, truman said:

Are you suggesting then that after every GE everyone should agrre with the result..? Kinda makes having an opposition party a bit redundant.. We were in a poor position as soon as we voted "leave"..you can't expext 48% of the population to simply forget what they think is the right thing to do..

Don't be a silly. A general election is never about one issue.  The EU referendum vote was only about one issue. If remain which what I voted for had won with 52%  of the vote then I would have expected the 48%  losing side's views to be ignored.  

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20 minutes ago, Magilla said:

I'm embarrassed  that you're embarrassed  considering the referendum would always split the nation.

 

What you should be embarrassed  about is the notion that the views of the 48% should be entirely ignored, something even arch Brexiteer Dan Hannan thinks is ridiculous. That's why Brexit is a failure.

 

Yes, it is.. entirely. For most of the world, the vote to  leave the EU is regarded as the stupidest decision a country has ever made.

 

 tinfoilhat's post has some truth to it, yours... not so much :rolleyes:

Wow. 

 

Anybody who believes that Brexit means people will have to eat excrement has not an ounce of credibility. It's scare mongering.

 

Better stay in the EU or we will have to eat eat droppings!

 

You couldn't make it up.

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Just now, Lockdoctor said:

Don't be a silly. A general election is never about one issue.  The EU referendum vote was only about one issue. If remain which what I voted for had won with 52%  of the vote then I would have expected the 48%  losing side's views to be ignored.  

Not being silly..if that's the only way you can reply to someone then your argument is weak..Don't see the difference really..to some people a GE is about one issue...and you're not kidding anyone anymore that you votred remain...totally ignoring 48% of a population's wiches isn't a very clever thing to do..anyway what sort of an exit did people vote for..?

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Just now, Car Boot said:

Wow. 

 

Anybody who believes that Brexit means people will have to eat excrement has not an ounce of credibility. It's scare mongering.

It's demonstrably true, but then, you havea  track record of failing the "truth" test :hihi:

Just now, Car Boot said:

Better stay in the EU or we will have to eat eat droppings!

That and having to errect a border in NI, while suffering significant economic harm.. there is that :rolleyes:

 

Just now, Car Boot said:

You couldn't make it up.

The point being that no-one had to, it's a reality! :loopy:

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1 minute ago, Magilla said:

It's demonstrably true, but then, you havea  track record of failing the "truth" test :hihi:

That and having to errect a border in NI, while suffering significant economic harm.. there is that :rolleyes:

 

The point being that no-one had to, it's a reality! :loopy:

We could always go for the chlorinated chicken instead I suppose...

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2 minutes ago, truman said:

Not being silly..if that's the only way you can reply to someone then your argument is weak..Don't see the difference really..to some people a GE is about one issue...and you're not kidding anyone anymore that you votred remain...totally ignoring 48% of a population's wiches isn't a very clever thing to do..anyway what sort of an exit did people vote for..?

Pointing out the difference between a general election and a referendum is the only logical way to reply.  The idea of having a referendum is to end arguments and not to intensify them by implementing what the losing side wants.

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