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6 minutes ago, melthebell said:

more lies...when did we sign up to the euro? in fact theres plenty of times we told the EU to stuff it

If only more people read and understood the Lisbon Treaty...they'd realise the 'big bad federalised EU' of their imagination simply cannot happen. Not in their lifetime, nor that of their children, at the very earliest.

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1 minute ago, melthebell said:

more lies...when did we sign up to the euro? in fact theres plenty of times we told the EU to stuff it

You'll notice I never said weve signed up to the euro. I'm talking of what the future may bring should we remain. Folk are pretty quick to assume how bad things will get when we leave, but cant accept or believe things may change dramatically if we stay, which we wont. 

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1 minute ago, BrexitGuy said:

You'll notice I never said weve signed up to the euro. I'm talking of what the future may bring should we remain. Folk are pretty quick to assume how bad things will get when we leave, but cant accept or believe things may change dramatically if we stay, which we wont. 

so in other words, brextremists cant accept re"moaners" worries about what COULD happen if / when we leave, but are quick to scaremonger about what "could" happen if we stay :rolleyes: Bojo was littering his recent speeches with plenty too.

The only way we'd join the euro is if WE wanted to join the euro, as you may have noticed weve already not joined the euro once, or schengen area, among others that we have vetoed

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Just now, BrexitGuy said:

You'll notice I never said weve signed up to the euro. I'm talking of what the future may bring should we remain. Folk are pretty quick to assume how bad things will get when we leave, but cant accept or believe things may change dramatically if we stay, which we wont. 

First they say the EU takes too long to make decisions, then they spread unfounded fear and doubt about "things may change dramatically if we stay".

 

Certainly by staying, the UK can have its seat at the table and exercise its veto. The record shows that the UK votes on the winning side in 95% of EU decisions, abstains in 3% and is on the losing side in just 2%. 

 

Leave and have no influence.

 

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Just now, melthebell said:

so in other words, brextremists cant accept re"moaners" worries about what COULD happen if / when we leave, but are quick to scaremonger about what "could" happen if we stay :rolleyes: Bojo was littering his recent speeches with plenty too.

The only way we'd join the euro is if WE wanted to join the euro, as you may have noticed weve already not joined the euro once, or schengen area, among others that we have vetoed

Yes, and they said that Donald Trump would never become president. Surely we all know by now that British politics is run by business, not fairness. We dont know what the future will hold no matter where we end up. We MAY wish to join the euro and then again a no deal exit might work too.

There are valid points on all sides and everyone has an opinion. 

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3 minutes ago, melthebell said:

so in other words, brextremists cant accept re"moaners" worries about what COULD happen if / when we leave, but are quick to scaremonger about what "could" happen if we stay :rolleyes:

Quite, of course the difference is that there's plenty of evidence to substantiate the "project fear" concerns, none whatsoever for the leavers "unicorn" promises, quite the opposite.

 

The best we can now hope for is that it won't be as bad as expected!

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2 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

Yes, and they said that Donald Trump would never become president. Surely we all know by now that British politics is run by business, not fairness. We dont know what the future will hold no matter where we end up. We MAY wish to join the euro and then again a no deal exit might work too.

There are valid points on all sides and everyone has an opinion. 

There is more chance of us becoming less well off under brexit than there is of us being shafted more by the EU if we stayed

Edited by melthebell

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46 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

If that is what you believe the war in Europe was about, you are deeply deluded. Only one state wanted Rampant nationalism, and that was Germany. And due to a politician called Hitler, he wrongly convinced his people to overthrow all that wasnt pure, in his eyes of course. 

He was a politician.  Nothing more, but sheeple followed him and his Nazi party. 

Every country around him crumbled, except one. 

So no false patriotism from this country pal. Just knowing the difference between right and wrong and caring for our neighbours in their hour of need. 

And where are those countries now eh? They've slammed the door on the British people, thats where they are bud, just because the majority who voted leave won, wanting control over immigration and the UK getting their parliamentary rights back. Thats why the leave vote went through. 

Having a sense of duty to the EU is more anti British than whatever you  may think of supporters of Brexit. 

Virtually every sentence that you write is so questionable and ill informed that it’s hard to understand where you get your views.

Right wing Hitler,was viewed as a saviour to the German people as his policies dragged them out of the depression of the 20s and 30s.

He,together with his henchmen garnered support from the population by scapegoating the Jews and the sheeple as you call them went for this.

Can you see any similarity here with the British Right wing attitude towards immigrants?

Now,having built up their industry on the back of armaments they decided to firstly take back lands lost after WW1, and then the aim was to rule Europe.

No country with a land border could withstand the blitzkrieg assault,but we had the massive defensive barrier of the seas around us.

I have every admiration for the British people who lived and died during these terrible times,but also for those in mainland Europe who resisted as best they could.

We would not have survived either without massive involvement of Russia and Poland on the eastern front,and without the eventual support of America and the Commonwealth countries.

So your jingoistic,patriotic claptrap is so deluded that I am almost lost for words.

We have had 45 years of improving cooperation with the rest of Europe.

It might not be perfect,but personally I hate ,and I am embarrassed by the views held by what I would like to think is a right wing nationalistic few,which you represent.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

Yes, and they said that Donald Trump would never become president.

Well... if there are any parallels with Trumps presidency, Brexit will be an utter disaster :hihi:

 

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There are valid points on all sides and everyone has an opinion. 

If your point is formulated on miss-information, falsehoods and paranoia as yours are, it's not really valid :rolleyes:

Edited by Magilla

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5 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

Well where do you think a permanent inclusion into the EU will take us? You only have to listen to the remoaners on here to see it will ultimately end up as one solid state. It wont be long before Tescos photo booth will only take euros. Is that what you want? There are many ways we can go within the EU but it will come at a cost where the UK will lose its sovereignty and become just another branch of the new worlds state of Europe. 

 

New World State?

 

Dude, either you are properly immersed in the world of far right conspiracy theories or you are trolling! Did you see that photo of Michel Barnier the other day where if you reverse the image, turn it upside down, make it black and white then look at it through a kaleidoscope on a Tuesday, it looks like a lizard?

 

And did you know that the world is run by a cabal of Jewish bankers?

 

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are just trolling as nobody can be that stupid in real life.

 

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2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

 

 

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are just trolling as nobody can be that stupid in real life.

 

I hope that you are right,but I fear that similar views are held spouted up and down the land

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13 minutes ago, RJRB said:

I hope that you are right,but I fear that similar views are held spouted up and down the land

I know.

 

When I first started going on the internet all that crank, conspiracy stuff was a source of entertainment and hid in little cracks in the web.

 

When did all that craziness become mainstream? :confused:

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