The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, geared said:

 

Yes from what I've read in the news it will put us in the EU in all but name.  May's deal had us fairly close, but we may as well paddle our little Island right over to the French coast with Corbyn's proposal.

I think the key difference with corbyn is that he wants the eu shackles off so he can nationalise anything he wants. I’m not clear on the specifics but the EU have barriers in place that he wants to shift. Customs union, immigration - which I’d guess a lot of his core voters are bothered about - really aren’t on his radar.

 

But if and when he gets to number 10, it’s a done deal and he won’t get a say anyway. The eu won’t be pushing goalposts around every time there’s a new idiot in number 10.

[Cyclone 10]

Weirdly the EU don't have any problem with nationalising things, so no idea why corbyn thinks they do.

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, Cyclone said:

Weirdly the EU don't have any problem with nationalising things, so no idea why corbyn thinks they do.

I thought I’d give it a quick google and the nationalisation thing doesn’t appear that clear. The majority of articles point to the fact corbyn could renationalise 5e railways, but after that it’s a bit more confusing. And corbyn will want to nationalise a whole bunch of things.

[woodview 10]

52 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

I thought I’d give it a quick google and the nationalisation thing doesn’t appear that clear. The majority of articles point to the fact corbyn could renationalise 5e railways, but after that it’s a bit more confusing. And corbyn will want to nationalise a whole bunch of things.

I imagine it's more to do with state aid.

If the railways and electricity are state funded / subsidised then selling into the market as an outside entity is at a disadvantage.

[I1L2T3 10]

21 minutes ago, woodview said:

I imagine it's more to do with state aid.

If the railways and electricity are state funded / subsidised then selling into the market as an outside entity is at a disadvantage.

It’s also about fair competition for government contracts. But it is possible for government bodies to in effect bid for contracts, and there is nothing to prevent them being awarded those contracts.

 

Both Labour and the Tories have interpreted the rules in a bizarre way, with both seemingly believing that EU rules will inexorably push every government service into private hands. 

 

It just isnt true, and certainly should not be an excuse for Benn-ites  to push an anti-EU agenda

Edited January 10, 2019 by I1L2T3

[Top Cats Hat 10]

15 minutes ago, woodview said:

I imagine it's more to do with state aid.

If the railways and electricity are state funded / subsidised then selling into the market as an outside entity is at a disadvantage.

That is quite correct.

 

After Thatcher sold off state industries (and public housing) for votes in the '80s, Britain became one of the few European nations which didn't have state controlled utilities and transport systems.

 

In a previous post I listed the staggering number of state owned industries across Europe which were run by both socialist and conservative national governments.

[andyofborg 11]

6 hours ago, geared said:

 

Yes from what I've read in the news it will put us in the EU in all but name.  May's deal had us fairly close, but we may as well paddle our little Island right over to the French coast with Corbyn's proposal.

i would point out, yet again, that may's deal is only for two years while we negotiate the final deal which will be along the lines of the one with Canada.

 

It's designed to be close to our current arrangement to prevent business having to deal with a regulatory cliff edge in march and then another one in two years time.

 

 

[melthebell 862]

9 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

i would point out, yet again, that may's deal is only for two years while we negotiate the final deal which will be along the lines of the one with Canada.

 

It's designed to be close to our current arrangement to prevent business having to deal with a regulatory cliff edge in march and then another one in two years time.

 

 

but as usual those that have shouted the loudest about remainers and project fear have also been using their own project fear saying that we will be trapped, held prisoner, held hostage etc etc and never be allowed to leave

[andyofborg 11]

3 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

I thought I’d give it a quick google and the nationalisation thing doesn’t appear that clear. The majority of articles point to the fact corbyn could renationalise 5e railways, but after that it’s a bit more confusing. And corbyn will want to nationalise a whole bunch of things.

the actual running of the services is done by the train operating companies which are franchises, the state could reclaim them as and when the franchises end. 

 

national rail which owns the track and infrastructure is essentially a public body, it's owned by everybody or nobody or the department of transport depending how you define "owned".

 

the bulk of the rolling stock is owned by one of a handful of private companies and rented to the train owning companies.  renationalising the railways would only involve nationalising these companies and maybe ending any outsourcing contracts

 

 

[Lockdoctor 10]

15 minutes ago, melthebell said:

but as usual those that have shouted the loudest about remainers and project fear have also been using their own project fear saying that we will be trapped, held prisoner, held hostage etc etc and never be allowed to leave

Hmmm,  it's the Government own legal team who are worried the UK will be trapped, held prisoner, held hostage etc etc and never allowed to leave if the UK sign up to the EU withdrawal agreement on offer.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[melthebell 862]

6 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Hmmm,  it's the Government own legal team who are worried the UK will be trapped, held prisoner, held hostage etc etc and never allowed to leave if the UK sign up to the EU withdrawal agreement on offer.

ive seen masses of videos with the "brexiters" on youtube shouting it all as gospel too, spinning out the propaganda like their lives depended on it

[tinfoilhat 11]

36 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

i would point out, yet again, that may's deal is only for two years while we negotiate the final deal which will be along the lines of the one with Canada.

 

It's designed to be close to our current arrangement to prevent business having to deal with a regulatory cliff edge in march and then another one in two years time.

 

 

She might be better off putting that on a bus.