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As the previous thread was running to 500 pages it's time for a new thread.

 

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It’s hardly surprising that something never previously attempted can run into difficulties. The vitriol being thrown at us by certain EU leaders doesn’t make for a decent deal. May now needs to toughen up, she is showing a lack of strong leadership, and god help us if she’s got similar advisers to those that advised her to call the snap general election.

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It’s hardly surprising that something never previously attempted can run into difficulties.
It’s only “running into difficulties” because, 2 years after the referendum and well over a year after triggering Article 50, the U.K. still doesn’t know what it wants, and still hasn’t got a plan (unless it is to exit without a deal....in which case, it’s working fine indeed).

 

I said back in March 2017 that May’s Article 50 notification dropped so prematurely, would come to be seen as the gravest mistake that she and her government made.

 

See composite post here, with links to earlier posts embedded in.

 

Sure enough...

The vitriol being thrown at us by certain EU leaders doesn’t make for a decent deal.
Are you conveniently forgetting the vitriol Boris and others have been throwing at the EU27 since the referendum and even before? EU leaders are calling out May and her government, and it’s thoroughly deserved.

 

274 days to go. You’ll get the deal you’re given by the EU27, and count your lucky stars if May (or her successor) snaps it up and it manages to be approved before end March 2019 by the 38 parliamentarian bodies across the EU27 (plus whatever approval gets done in the U.K., through Parliament or via a 2nd referendum).

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Are you conveniently forgetting the vitriol Boris and others have been throwing at the EU27 since the referendum and even before? EU leaders are calling out May and her government, and it’s thoroughly deserved.

 

This. Our government are like children. We're leaving you but expect you to agree to all our terms. OK then.

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Cameron never in his wildest dreams expected the result that his election winning referendum promise brought forth, thus he never needed a plan for either scenario. The Tories then vote in another remainer as his successor, obviously devoid of any assemblance of a plan, this is just about as stupid as another pacifist succeeding Neville Chamberlain.

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It’s only “running into difficulties” because, 2 years after the referendum and well over a year after triggering Article 50, the U.K. still doesn’t know what it wants, and still hasn’t got a plan (unless it is to exit without a deal....in which case, it’s working fine indeed).

 

 

 

 

I disagree.

 

This Government has two competing plans for Brexit. That's the real problem.

 

That and the weakness of the Government have led to May's reluctance to face down the lunatic right wing of her "party".

 

It is all going to end in tears.

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Our government are like children. We're leaving you but expect you to agree to all our terms.

 

it's even funnier than that :

 

UK : "we're leaving, but we expect you to agree to all our terms"

 

EU : "what are your terms?"

 

UK : "we don't know, and even if we did, we wouldn't tell you!"

 

EU : "er... o-k..."

 

UK : "stop punishing us!!!"

 

 

this is catastrophic, but it's still funny.

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have led to May's reluctance to face down the lunatic right wing of her "party".

 

Unfortunately the lunatic right wing have the upper hand.

 

Any 'sensible'* agreement takes time. We no longer have that time, even if we started the negotiations proper tomorrow. So all the Brextremists have to do is sit it out and wait for March 2019 to arrive and we leave with no deal. Last week Leave campaigners in London marched behind a banner stating 'No Deal is the Best Deal' and Boris Johnson's response to business concerns over Brexit was "F**k business!"

 

There is absolutely nothing positive or constructive coming out of the Brexit camp, other than like children, they shout 'We won! Give us what we want'. This deadlock can only be broken by the Labour Party sacking off its ludicrous schizophrenic policy and taking a stand against the coming train wreck, even if this means ditching Corbyn. Yes, there are many conservative Labour voters (mainly in the North) who will be upset, but as time goes on these will diminish and will be massively outweighed by others who come to Labour from other areas.

 

I am sick to death of watching Labour shadow ministers struggling to answer questions about Brexit who clearly don't believe a word they are saying. This is a no-brainer. The majority of the population now wish to remain part of the EU in some form and this majority can only increase as time goes on. Everyone got very excited about that clown from Momentum predicting a run on the pound if Labour got into power. Really? If Labour took a clear anti-Brexit stand, called for a second referendum and a stay on implementation of Article 50 until the matter was resolved, the financial markets would be right behind Labour. The situation really is that bad that a very left-wing McDonnel/Corbyn government which remains in the EU, would be seen as preferable to the economic meltdown we are currently facing.

 

(*sensible meaning not totally catastrophic. Few people on either side of the argument realise how incredibly weak our bargaining position is.)

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I disagree.

 

This Government has two competing plans for Brexit. That's the real problem.

 

That and the weakness of the Government have led to May's reluctance to face down the lunatic right wing of her "party".

 

It is all going to end in tears.

I’m not sure that your disagreement is justified: the net result of two competing plans, wherein they are opposed and neither gains ascendency on the other, is ‘no plan’ ;)

 

Schadenfreude posts aside, I’m still hoping for your collective sake that it won’t end in tears. But with the operational deadline sometime this October (to ensure that whatever deal is reached, gets voted through everywhere it needs to, in good time by end March 2019), i.e. 4 months away, every passing day without progress (some would even say, without having even started) makes this ever more unlikely...

 

...and the UK is getting beyond late to prep for a no deal outcome, as well. No IT, no trainee customs officers, no lorry car parks in Devon, no replacement regulatory agencies, etc, etc...not even procurement ongoing for these.

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Cameron never in his wildest dreams expected the result that his election winning referendum promise brought forth, thus he never needed a plan for either scenario. The Tories then vote in another remainer as his successor, obviously devoid of any assemblance of a plan, this is just about as stupid as another pacifist succeeding Neville Chamberlain.

 

Looking at the faces of Gove and Johnson the morning after the referendum, they obviously didn't expect to win and have been clueless as to where to go next (unless it's Afghanistan).

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But... Sovrinty and blue passports. Don't forget what's important here!

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