I1L2T3 10 #8725 Posted January 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, woodview said: In his post he was talking about extremists and said he wouldn't get involved in anything like that. Are you implying he would? I really don't get what you are on about, beyond trying to paint a picture of normal people being violent. And then on another thread he’s defending James Goddard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
woodview 10 #8726 Posted January 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: And then on another thread he’s defending James Goddard The bloke arresting for shouting at an MP? Doesn't make home a promoter of violence does it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3 10 #8727 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, woodview said: The bloke arresting for shouting at an MP? Doesn't make home a promoter of violence does it? Until you look at his history on social media then arguably it does. Lets not beat about the bush anymore. Like Lockdoctor the subtext of your argument is defence of people like Goddard. I’m quite happy to start posting links of Goddard in action. Want me to? If not then best jog on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Litotes 63 #8728 Posted January 13, 2019 18 hours ago, Lockdoctor said: You haven't changed your mind and the protesters from both sides outside the Houses of Parliament haven't changed their minds. It suits the agenda of people who only respect democracy when the decision mirrors their own choice, to use 'change your mind' as an excuse to cheat others out of democracy. And to not allow people to change theirs minds (the ones who you say are being cheated out of democracy) is also undemocratic and reeks of a totalitarian regime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid 220 #8729 Posted January 13, 2019 14 hours ago, Magilla said: Naturally, you're a leaver! Getting it wrong is a way of life! “Kenya sells us lots of flowers, which have a short shelf-life, and it currently trades with us on WTO rules. We have no problems there.” Andrea Jenkyns MP, 9 January 2019 Incorrect. Kenya-EU trade is governed by a trade agreement that supersedes WTO rules and removes tariffs on the import of Kenyan flowers to the EU. https://fullfact.org/europe/no-kenya-doesnt-export-flowers-eu-wto-terms/?fbclid=IwAR0nwNGKOsUnuM2GuBemVdJMTBTqAusc2dPu5OEpQfZdjwE4wSpBYYk6vDw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ez8004 10 #8730 Posted January 13, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46853689 ”This would give MPs, rather than ministers, control of parliamentary business and sideline the prime minister.” Parliamentary sovereignty at its best. What’s not to like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla 510 #8731 Posted January 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, El Cid said: “Kenya sells us lots of flowers, which have a short shelf-life, and it currently trades with us on WTO rules. We have no problems there.” Andrea Jenkyns MP, 9 January 2019 Incorrect. Kenya-EU trade is governed by a trade agreement that supersedes WTO rules and removes tariffs on the import of Kenyan flowers to the EU. https://fullfact.org/europe/no-kenya-doesnt-export-flowers-eu-wto-terms/?fbclid=IwAR0nwNGKOsUnuM2GuBemVdJMTBTqAusc2dPu5OEpQfZdjwE4wSpBYYk6vDw Of course, there's literally loads of examples of the same: https://evolvepolitics.com/watch-knowledgeable-eu-van-driver-utterly-destroys-jacob-rees-moggs-brexit-bluster-with-firsthand-experience-video/ WTO is the last resort, it's considered a "lifeboat". Of course, lifeboats are used when the ship is sinking! 'Basic questions unanswered' on Swiss trade deal: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46854002 Quote raises the prospect that the freedom of movement of people - which is currently a condition of the deal between the EU and Switzerland - would have to be accepted by the UK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
gomgeg 10 #8732 Posted January 13, 2019 The campaign for the losers vote are getting desperate , they've now rolled out the 'tub of lard' as one of their advocates. I never realised he was a Lord, I must start eating more cereals as this is the final proof that they must be giving the honours out in the packets of cornflakes. I worked with somebody in the eighties who was involved in local Labour politics and he said then that he would never be half the man his mother was. The best thing that can be said about him is that he's not Kinnock, another Labour lord who's name rhymes with another seven letter word that best describes him which is an anagram of locklip, something he'd have been better off doing. Another advocate of the EU who managed to work himself a job there, then a job for his wife, then a job for his son, he'd probably got a job lined up for Kinnock the glint in somebody's eye. Then you've got all the other Labour Lords who are all for the EU, Mandelson, Blunkett, etc. I can't believe I voted for this lot for the best part of forty years while they were telling us they were going to get rid of the Lords, they soon changed their mind when they were asked to join the gravy train. We are expected to listen to and take notice of this group of shysters, I don't think so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ez8004 10 #8733 Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, gomgeg said: The campaign for the losers vote are getting desperate , they've now rolled out the 'tub of lard' as one of their advocates. I never realised he was a Lord, I must start eating more cereals as this is the final proof that they must be giving the honours out in the packets of cornflakes. I worked with somebody in the eighties who was involved in local Labour politics and he said then that he would never be half the man his mother was. The best thing that can be said about him is that he's not Kinnock, another Labour lord who's name rhymes with another seven letter word that best describes him which is an anagram of locklip, something he'd have been better off doing. Another advocate of the EU who managed to work himself a job there, then a job for his wife, then a job for his son, he'd probably got a job lined up for Kinnock the glint in somebody's eye. Then you've got all the other Labour Lords who are all for the EU, Mandelson, Blunkett, etc. I can't believe I voted for this lot for the best part of forty years while they were telling us they were going to get rid of the Lords, they soon changed their mind when they were asked to join the gravy train. We are expected to listen to and take notice of this group of shysters, I don't think so. Classic uneducated drivel. If you knew even half of the people in the upper house and what they did to get there then you wouldn’t say what you have. There was a reason they were the equivalent of the Supreme Court before that came into existence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla 510 #8734 Posted January 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, ez8004 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46853689 ”This would give MPs, rather than ministers, control of parliamentary business and sideline the prime minister.” Parliamentary sovereignty at its best. What’s not to like? Quite. It's more preaching to the choir, Express readers. It'll resonate, but they're not even in the top 10 in terms of readership so you have to wonder about Mays sincerity. Not exactly a serious effort to convince the wider population. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
gomgeg 10 #8735 Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, ez8004 said: Classic uneducated drivel. If you knew even half of the people in the upper house and what they did to get there then you wouldn’t say what you have. There was a reason they were the equivalent of the Supreme Court before that came into existence. Calm down dear, you'll give yourself a seizure, why don't you relax and go and have a pint instead of spending all your time scouring the internet for something to upset you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ez8004 10 #8736 Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, gomgeg said: Calm down dear, you'll give yourself a seizure, why don't you relax and go and have a pint instead of spending all your time scouring the internet for something to upset you. Do you know how to debate? You have a reasonable level of education right? You are supposed to counter with a logical argument or fact based evidence to support your assertions. Learn to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...