The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[Magilla 510]

20 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

If we'd gone down the EEA/EFTA route then freedom of movement would continue which would make a mockery of the EU referendum result.

Even for the majority of leave voters, economic prosperity trumps FoM.

 

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If we are honest we've ended up in this mess because  the majority of MPs never wanted the UK to leave the EU and far too many of them don't respect the democratic wishes of the majority of the  people who voted in the EU referendum.  The only way Brexit would have happened smoothly is if the ruling party had campaigned to leave the EU and had a big majority in Parliament meaning their wishes mirrored the wishes of the democratic UK people.

Utter nonsense, we've ended up in this position because Brexiteers failed to deliver at every possible junction.

 

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Yes there can be a no deal because that is the legal default position if the majority of MPs  vote against the Withdrawal deal Mrs May is supporting.  If a MP doesn't want the UK to leave the EU without a deal then they should support Mrs May's deal.

No-Brexit is better, that's what the public now want. No-deal won't happen.

 

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Your post makes no sense. 

I understood it perfectly

 

Edited January 9, 2019 by Magilla

[Jonny5 10]

14 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The Brexit play on Channel Four last night reminded me of just how little information we actually had during the referendum debate. It was largely a question of spin, catchy phrases, dog whistle politics and outright lies (the big red bus and Turkey about to join the EU, were the two that featured prominantly!)

 

You only had to look at the 'WTF  is this all about?' response to the question of the Irish border, to see how little time had been devoted to the actual realities of leaving the EU.

But it was still an unpopular PM and a "missing" Labour leader that allowed them to get away with it.

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1 hour ago, Jonny5 said:

But it was still an unpopular PM and a "missing" Labour leader that allowed them to get away with it.

Plus of course the avowed Brexit supporting Cabinet ministers who skilfully avoided leading the negotiations forward in the certain knowledge that they would fail.

 

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The only way Brexit would have happened smoothly is if ...

...we found the flying unicorns that were promised?

 

 

[woodview 10]

15 hours ago, Magilla said:

MPs defeat government over no-deal preparations

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46803112

 

Ridiculous move. Akin to telling the car salesman you definitely won't walk out of the showroom without doing a deal.

Shows their naivity , and inability to work for a collectively acceptable conclusion.

 

[apelike 10]

3 hours ago, Magilla said:

No-Brexit is better, that's what the public now want. No-deal won't happen.

For those that love polls this paints another story.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713

[woodview 10]

1 minute ago, apelike said:

For those that love polls this paints another story.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713

It's interesting that  'Leave without a deal' is the single biggest preference at nearly 30%.

Of course there are the other options but they only run at 15-20% each.

'Don't know' is 3rd highest - at least that option is well represented in Parliament.

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Still less than 30% though, can you imagine the statements made if that went through;

 

"We've chosen to do what 28% of people are happy with, the rest of you lot can sod off"

[hobinfoot 25]

The EU has already said the brexit deal cannot be renegotiated. So if a no deal brexit won't get through parliament and with no credible alternative one put forward then surely the one already done is the best on offer?

[apelike 10]

7 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

The EU has already said the brexit deal cannot be renegotiated. So if a no deal brexit won't get through parliament and with no credible alternative one put forward then surely the one already done is the best on offer?

What parliament will be debating is whether to accept the deal on offer, if that is rejected then a no-deal is the only option unless parliament come up with an alternative in the time left.

[woodview 10]

15 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

The EU has already said the brexit deal cannot be renegotiated. So if a no deal brexit won't get through parliament and with no credible alternative one put forward then surely the one already done is the best on offer?

It is the 'best' and the only one on offer.

At this instant in time, there are only two definite available options. TMs deal , or leave with no deal.

Of course there are many more potential scenarios, but those two are all that's currently  available.

[Lockdoctor 10]

33 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

The EU has already said the brexit deal cannot be renegotiated. So if a no deal brexit won't get through parliament and with no credible alternative one put forward then surely the one already done is the best on offer?

The MPs will not be voting whether they want a no deal Brexit,  but that scenario is going to happen, if they reject the Withdrawal deal on offer.  As you say the logical way for a MP to vote if they don't want a no deal Brexit is to support Mrs May's deal.  

 

We have had a EU referendum and we have  had a General Election since the referendum in which the current Government were given the authority to negotiate the terms on what way the UK will leave the EU.  The choice now is simple for MPs to make and there should be no movement of the goalposts.

 

1 hour ago, woodview said:

Ridiculous move. Akin to telling the car salesman you definitely won't walk out of the showroom without doing a deal.

Shows their naivity , and inability to work for a collectively acceptable conclusion.

 

It  beggars belief there are so many MPs  who think a no Brexit deal should be ruled out.  I have no doubt they don't behave  that way when they are conducting their own personal business.

Edited January 9, 2019 by Lockdoctor