The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[Top Cats Hat 10]

Not sure what practical difference this will make but it does show that there is not support for a no deal Brexit in any way, shape or form.

 

So May's deal looks set to go down in flames and the percieved wisdom is that if she is defeated by 70 or more votes she won't be able to bring it back to Parliament in another shape. With no support for no deal and measures now being put in place to prevent it, that leaves only two options. Sack off Brexit altogether or another referendum. Either option will almost certainly require a vote of Parliament to approve the suspension of Article 50* to prevent running into March 29 before things are sorted.

 

Those saying that we are leaving in March 2019 regardless are living in cloud cuckoo land. Parliament won't permit it and if given a choice, the people won't permit it either.

 

(*word from Brussels is that officials on both sides are already discussing the means to halt Article 50 before March)

[I1L2T3 10]

16 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Over time it has become obvious  the whole thing has been carefully orchestrated  by MPs  to attempt to  block Brexit and prevent the democratic wishes of the UK people being implemented.   However leaving the EU without a deal is still the default position, if Parliament don't support  Mrs May's withdrawal agreement.  Leaving the EU has been written into law.   It's very irresponsible and not in the national interest for MPs  to prevent further spending in preparation of a no Brexit deal.  

If we’d gone down the EEA/EFTA route we’d be done and dusted, and looking forward to March without too much trepidation.

 

If anybody is honest about it, it’s clear that the right wing of the Tory party has held the country to ransom. We’ve ended up in this mess because of their demands

11 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Not sure what practical difference this will make but it does show that there is not support for a no deal Brexit in any way, shape or form.

 

So May's deal looks set to go down in flames and the percieved wisdom is that if she is defeated by 70 or more votes she won't be able to bring it back to Parliament in another shape. With no support for no deal and measures now being put in place to prevent it, that leaves only two options. Sack off Brexit altogether or another referendum. Either option will almost certainly require a vote of Parliament to approve the suspension of Article 50* to prevent running into March 29 before things are sorted.

 

Those saying that we are leaving in March 2019 regardless are living in cloud cuckoo land. Parliament won't permit it and if given a choice, the people won't permit it either.

 

(*word from Brussels is that officials on both sides are already discussing the means to halt Article 50 before March)

There can’t be a no deal because the damage inflicted would so great any MP that supported it would be unelectable.

[tzijlstra 11]

26 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Over time it has become obvious  the whole thing has been carefully orchestrated  by MPs  to attempt to  block Brexit and prevent the democratic wishes of the UK people being implemented.   However leaving the EU without a deal is still the default position, if Parliament don't support  Mrs May's withdrawal agreement.  Leaving the EU has been written into law.   It's very irresponsible and not in the national interest for MPs  to prevent further spending in preparation of a no Brexit deal.  

If you genuinely believe that, than you believe that the earth is flat. The past two years of economic stagnation could've been prevented if your theory was true. But carry on carrying on the torch...

[melthebell 863]

so as well as Ramsgate not being ready for brexit, the mayor of Ostend says Ostend wont be ready too, and he wants bank guarantees in case the project fails Ostend wont be left to count the cost...more money going to the EU? LOL

[apelike 10]

1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Not sure what practical difference this will make but it does show that there is not support for a no deal Brexit in any way, shape or form...

 

Those saying that we are leaving in March 2019 regardless are living in cloud cuckoo land. Parliament won't permit it and if given a choice, the people won't permit it either.

It was not much of a majority though was it..303 to 296 votes.

 

According to the BBC:

 

"There's a big problem facing members of Parliament who want to avoid a no-deal Brexit. They can't just show there is a majority in the House of Commons against no deal - they need to prove there is a majority in favour of an alternative outcome. That's because leaving the EU - with or without a deal - is currently the default"

 

It then goes on to say...

 

"But none of it, taken in isolation, will prevent the Article 50 clock ticking away until it stops at the end of March."

 

Because of that alone the people will not get any say in the matter and nor should they.

Edited January 8, 2019 by apelike

[Longcol 602]

3 minutes ago, apelike said:

It was not much of a majority though was it..303 to 296 votes.

 

 

Remind me of them massive majority in favour of brexit again..........................................................

Edited January 8, 2019 by Longcol

[apelike 10]

2 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Remind me of them massive majority in favour of brexit again..........................................................

OK...  1,269,501

[I1L2T3 10]

7 minutes ago, apelike said:

OK...  1,269,501

Is that with or without the 1m missing and disqualified ballot papers

[Longcol 602]

10 minutes ago, apelike said:

OK...  1,269,501

And in percentage terms how much different is the referendum result to the 303 to 296 which you say "is not much of a majority"?

Edited January 8, 2019 by Longcol

[apelike 10]

1 minute ago, I1L2T3 said:

Is that with or without the 1m missing and disqualified ballot papers

I think the results are calculated after the 26,033 rejected/disqualified ballot papers are taken off..

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

And in percentage terms how much different is the referendum result to the 303 to 296 which you say "is not much of a majority"?

I'm sure you can work it out without me having to do it for you.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

It was not much of a majority though was it..303 to 296 votes.

I hope you are not making the assumption that 296 of those MPs support no deal?

 

The vast majority of them are Tories who don't want no deal but are loyal to their own party. The only approximation of support for no deal is the 35 Tories who triggered the leadership challenge to Teresa May plus Kate Hoey and John Mann. Whatever the DUP say, they will not support no deal as it is the surest way to a United Ireland.

 

37 out of 600 is less than 4%.

 

The most relevant choice for Tory MPs will be No Brexit vs No Deal. No one really knows how that stands at the moment but the smart money would be a a strong showing for no Brexit. When May's deal is binned off, no deal vs no Brexit will be the only game in town.

[Lockdoctor 10]

12 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

If we’d gone down the EEA/EFTA route we’d be done and dusted, and looking forward to March without too much trepidation.

 

If anybody is honest about it, it’s clear that the right wing of the Tory party has held the country to ransom. We’ve ended up in this mess because of their demands

There can’t be a no deal because the damage inflicted would so great any MP that supported it would be unelectable.

If we'd gone down the EEA/EFTA route then freedom of movement would continue which would make a mockery of the EU referendum result, 

 

If we are honest we've ended up in this mess because  the majority of MPs never wanted the UK to leave the EU and far too many of them don't respect the democratic wishes of the majority of the  people who voted in the EU referendum.  The only way Brexit would have happened smoothly is if the ruling party had campaigned to leave the EU and had a big majority in Parliament meaning their wishes mirrored the wishes of the democratic UK people.   

 

Yes there can be a no deal because that is the legal default position if the majority of MPs  vote against the Withdrawal deal Mrs May is supporting.  If a MP doesn't want the UK to leave the EU without a deal then they should support Mrs May's deal.

 

12 hours ago, tzijlstra said:

If you genuinely believe that, than you believe that the earth is flat. The past two years of economic stagnation could've been prevented if your theory was true. But carry on carrying on the torch...

Your post makes no sense. 

Edited January 9, 2019 by Lockdoctor