melthebell 862 #8017 Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, retep said: Proves my point. so have you any proof that ANYTHING hes saying in that video isnt true? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep 68 #8018 Posted December 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, melthebell said: so have you any proof that ANYTHING hes saying in that video isnt true? “It must call into question whether his loyalty is to the UK or a foreign power.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/27/michael-heseltine-theresa-may-urged-withdraw-tory-whip-brexit-comments Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla 510 #8019 Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, retep said: “It must call into question whether his loyalty is to the UK or a foreign power.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/27/michael-heseltine-theresa-may-urged-withdraw-tory-whip-brexit-comments ...said Norman Tebbit, the former cabinet minister and arch-Brexiter The problem for Tebbit is that when this inevitably goes pear shaped, those statements will be more appropriate to him! Edited December 24, 2018 by Magilla Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell 862 #8020 Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, retep said: “It must call into question whether his loyalty is to the UK or a foreign power.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/27/michael-heseltine-theresa-may-urged-withdraw-tory-whip-brexit-comments and the right wingers arent happy over what he said, wow........im impressed with the proof Funnily enough just found a page of older stuff Tebbit has said, and its the usual right wing claptrap, and even in 1997 he didnt like Hesletine https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2000/jun/02/uk.politicalnews2 Edited December 24, 2018 by melthebell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep 68 #8021 Posted December 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Magilla said: ...said Norman Tebbit, the former cabinet minister and arch-Brexiter The problem for Tebbit is, that when this inevitably goes pear shaped, those statements will be more appropriate to him! Shows how out of touch tarzan is, "He also suggested Labour would eventually turn against Brexit and the Conservatives would be “left holding the baby”, as leaving the EU grows more unpopular." Jeremy Corbyn is facing a storm of criticism from Labour activists and MPs after suggesting he would press ahead with Brexit if the party won a snap general election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla 510 #8022 Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, retep said: Shows how out of touch tarzan is, "He also suggested Labour would eventually turn against Brexit and the Conservatives would be “left holding the baby”, as leaving the EU grows more unpopular." Most likely, it's what the majority of members want to happen. Quote Jeremy Corbyn is facing a storm of criticism from Labour activists and MPs after suggesting he would press ahead with Brexit if the party won a snap general election. Labour won't win a GE on those terms.... it's just repeating what May has done, and would be hugely unpopular. Heseltine is probably right Edited December 24, 2018 by Magilla Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hobinfoot 25 #8023 Posted December 24, 2018 16 hours ago, ez8004 said: Prove to me that the UK economy hasn't benefited far more than £8.9bn due to businesses and consumers having tariff free access to the world's largest trading bloc. You won't because you can't. I've asked this question why would they have to be any tariffs between the EU & UK it would surely be beneficial for both sides to have none. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Car Boot 10 #8024 Posted December 24, 2018 16 hours ago, ez8004 said: Prove to me that the UK economy hasn't benefited far more than £8.9bn due to businesses and consumers having tariff free access to the world's largest trading bloc. You won't because you can't. The economy might have benefited, but a growing economy and rising GDP DOES NOT raise the wages and family incomes of the poorest in society. It does raise the salaries and bonuses of the top CEO's. Making the economy bigger has certainly made the rich much much richer, while the poor have scarcely benefited in forty years. Things haven't got better for the poor by having 'tarrif free access to the world's largest trading bloc' either. Increasing inequality is a direct result of our EU membership. The globalisation of the production and labour markets, mass immigration of low skilled workers, declining unionisation are all caused by inbuilt market induced inequality. The markets, of course, are sacrosanct to the EU. The EU was created and exists to service their needs. EU inspired economic growth does in fact do little to reduce poverty and inequality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat 10 #8025 Posted December 24, 2018 49 minutes ago, Car Boot said: The globalisation of the production and labour markets, mass immigration of low skilled workers, declining unionisation are all caused by inbuilt market induced inequality. In a post Brexit, low wage, low regulation economy, is unionisation likey to a) Increase b) Decrease Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3 10 #8026 Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, hobinfoot said: I've asked this question why would they have to be any tariffs between the EU & UK it would surely be beneficial for both sides to have none. Only if we adhere to EU standards and commit to a level playing field just like any other country that wants to trade with the EU If like China a country tries to dump goods then expect tariffs. If you don’t meet the standards your good won’t get past the dockyard. These are fundamental basic facts. If on the other hand you don’t want to trade in unfair ways, and are happy to meet the standards then happy days. Your lesson ends there. It couldn’t be simpler 1 hour ago, Car Boot said: The economy might have benefited, but a growing economy and rising GDP DOES NOT raise the wages and family incomes of the poorest in society. It does raise the salaries and bonuses of the top CEO's. Making the economy bigger has certainly made the rich much much richer, while the poor have scarcely benefited in forty years. Things haven't got better for the poor by having 'tarrif free access to the world's largest trading bloc' either. Increasing inequality is a direct result of our EU membership. The globalisation of the production and labour markets, mass immigration of low skilled workers, declining unionisation are all caused by inbuilt market induced inequality. The markets, of course, are sacrosanct to the EU. The EU was created and exists to service their needs. EU inspired economic growth does in fact do little to reduce poverty and inequality. The solution is not to leave the EU. The solution is to have a more caring government. Leaving the EU offers no guarantee of that happening. Your lesson ends there Edited December 24, 2018 by I1L2T3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra 11 #8027 Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Car Boot said: The economy might have benefited, but a growing economy and rising GDP DOES NOT raise the wages and family incomes of the poorest in society. It does raise the salaries and bonuses of the top CEO's. Making the economy bigger has certainly made the rich much much richer, while the poor have scarcely benefited in forty years. Things haven't got better for the poor by having 'tarrif free access to the world's largest trading bloc' either. Increasing inequality is a direct result of our EU membership. The globalisation of the production and labour markets, mass immigration of low skilled workers, declining unionisation are all caused by inbuilt market induced inequality. The markets, of course, are sacrosanct to the EU. The EU was created and exists to service their needs. EU inspired economic growth does in fact do little to reduce poverty and inequality. Look at this map: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient#/media/File%3A2014_Gini_Index_World_Map%2C_income_inequality_distribution_by_country_per_World_Bank.svg now tell me how being out of the EU helps with income disparity again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hobinfoot 25 #8028 Posted December 24, 2018 2 hours ago, I1L2T3 said: Only if we adhere to EU standards and commit to a level playing field just like any other country that wants to trade with the EU If like China a country tries to dump goods then expect tariffs. If you don’t meet the standards your good won’t get past the dockyard. These are fundamental basic facts. If on the other hand you don’t want to trade in unfair ways, and are happy to meet the standards then happy days. Your lesson ends there. It couldn’t be simpler The solution is not to leave the EU. The solution is to have a more caring government. Leaving the EU offers no guarantee of that happening. Your lesson ends there Haven't our standards been ok up to now ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...