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Just now, retep said:

Proves my point.

so have you any proof that ANYTHING hes saying in that video isnt true?

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7 minutes ago, melthebell said:

so have you any proof that ANYTHING hes saying in that video isnt true?

“It must call into question whether his loyalty is to the UK or a foreign power.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/27/michael-heseltine-theresa-may-urged-withdraw-tory-whip-brexit-comments

 

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7 minutes ago, retep said:

“It must call into question whether his loyalty is to the UK or a foreign power.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/27/michael-heseltine-theresa-may-urged-withdraw-tory-whip-brexit-comments

 

...said Norman Tebbit, the former cabinet minister and arch-Brexiter :loopy:

 

The problem for Tebbit is that when this inevitably goes pear shaped, those statements will be more appropriate to him! :hihi:

 

 

Edited by Magilla

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23 minutes ago, retep said:

“It must call into question whether his loyalty is to the UK or a foreign power.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/27/michael-heseltine-theresa-may-urged-withdraw-tory-whip-brexit-comments

 

and the right wingers arent happy over what he said, wow........im impressed with the proof :o

 

Funnily enough just found a page of older stuff Tebbit has said, and its the usual right wing claptrap, and even in 1997 he didnt like Hesletine :roll:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2000/jun/02/uk.politicalnews2

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7 minutes ago, Magilla said:

...said Norman Tebbit, the former cabinet minister and arch-Brexiter :loopy:

 

The problem for Tebbit is, that when this inevitably goes pear shaped, those statements will be more appropriate to him! :hihi:

 

 

Shows how out of touch tarzan is,

 

"He also suggested Labour would eventually turn against Brexit and the Conservatives would be “left holding the baby”, as leaving the EU grows more unpopular."

 

Jeremy Corbyn is facing a storm of criticism from Labour activists and MPs after suggesting he would press ahead with Brexit if the party won a snap general election.

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2 minutes ago, retep said:

Shows how out of touch tarzan is,

 

"He also suggested Labour would eventually turn against Brexit and the Conservatives would be “left holding the baby”, as leaving the EU grows more unpopular."

Most likely, it's what the majority of members want to happen.

 

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Jeremy Corbyn is facing a storm of criticism from Labour activists and MPs after suggesting he would press ahead with Brexit if the party won a snap general election.

Labour won't win a GE on those terms.... it's just repeating what May has done, and would be hugely unpopular.

 

Heseltine is probably right :rolleyes:

 

 

Edited by Magilla

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16 hours ago, ez8004 said:

Prove to me that the UK economy hasn't benefited far more than £8.9bn due to businesses and consumers having tariff free access to the world's largest trading bloc.

 

You won't because you can't.

I've asked this question why would they have to be any tariffs between the EU & UK it would surely be beneficial for both sides to have none.

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16 hours ago, ez8004 said:

Prove to me that the UK economy hasn't benefited far more than £8.9bn due to businesses and consumers having tariff free access to the world's largest trading bloc.

 

You won't because you can't.

The economy might have benefited, but a growing economy and rising GDP DOES NOT raise the wages and family incomes of the poorest in society. It does raise the salaries and bonuses of the top CEO's. Making the economy bigger has certainly made the rich much much richer, while the poor have scarcely benefited in forty years.

 

Things haven't got better for the poor by having 'tarrif free access to the world's largest trading bloc' either.

 

Increasing inequality is a direct result of our EU membership. The globalisation of the production and labour markets, mass immigration of low skilled workers, declining unionisation are all caused by inbuilt market induced inequality. The markets, of course, are sacrosanct to the EU. The EU was created and exists to service their needs.

 

EU inspired economic growth does in fact do little to reduce poverty and inequality.

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49 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The globalisation of the production and labour markets, mass immigration of low skilled workers, declining unionisation are all caused by inbuilt market induced inequality. 

In a post Brexit, low wage, low regulation economy, is unionisation likey to 

 

a) Increase

 

b) Decrease

 

 

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2 hours ago, hobinfoot said:

I've asked this question why would they have to be any tariffs between the EU & UK it would surely be beneficial for both sides to have none.

Only if we adhere to EU standards and commit to a level playing field just like any other country that wants to trade with the EU

 

If like China a country tries to dump goods then expect tariffs. If you don’t meet the standards your good won’t get past the dockyard.

 

These are fundamental basic facts.

 

If on the other hand you don’t want to trade in unfair ways, and are happy to meet the standards then happy days.

 

Your lesson ends there. It couldn’t be simpler

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

The economy might have benefited, but a growing economy and rising GDP DOES NOT raise the wages and family incomes of the poorest in society. It does raise the salaries and bonuses of the top CEO's. Making the economy bigger has certainly made the rich much much richer, while the poor have scarcely benefited in forty years.

 

Things haven't got better for the poor by having 'tarrif free access to the world's largest trading bloc' either.

 

Increasing inequality is a direct result of our EU membership. The globalisation of the production and labour markets, mass immigration of low skilled workers, declining unionisation are all caused by inbuilt market induced inequality. The markets, of course, are sacrosanct to the EU. The EU was created and exists to service their needs.

 

EU inspired economic growth does in fact do little to reduce poverty and inequality.

The solution is not to leave the EU.

 

The solution is to have a more caring government.

 

Leaving the EU offers no guarantee of that happening.

 

Your lesson ends there

Edited by I1L2T3

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1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

The economy might have benefited, but a growing economy and rising GDP DOES NOT raise the wages and family incomes of the poorest in society. It does raise the salaries and bonuses of the top CEO's. Making the economy bigger has certainly made the rich much much richer, while the poor have scarcely benefited in forty years.

 

Things haven't got better for the poor by having 'tarrif free access to the world's largest trading bloc' either.

 

Increasing inequality is a direct result of our EU membership. The globalisation of the production and labour markets, mass immigration of low skilled workers, declining unionisation are all caused by inbuilt market induced inequality. The markets, of course, are sacrosanct to the EU. The EU was created and exists to service their needs.

 

EU inspired economic growth does in fact do little to reduce poverty and inequality.

Look at this map: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient#/media/File%3A2014_Gini_Index_World_Map%2C_income_inequality_distribution_by_country_per_World_Bank.svg 

 

now tell me how being out of the EU helps with income disparity again?

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2 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

Only if we adhere to EU standards and commit to a level playing field just like any other country that wants to trade with the EU

 

If like China a country tries to dump goods then expect tariffs. If you don’t meet the standards your good won’t get past the dockyard.

 

These are fundamental basic facts.

 

If on the other hand you don’t want to trade in unfair ways, and are happy to meet the standards then happy days.

 

Your lesson ends there. It couldn’t be simpler

The solution is not to leave the EU.

 

The solution is to have a more caring government.

 

Leaving the EU offers no guarantee of that happening.

 

Your lesson ends there

Haven't our standards been ok up to now ?

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