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10 hours ago, Car Boot said:

If Remain won a second referendum would you be happy to hold another one afterwards...

 

just in case the people had changed their minds again?

Hold 40 of them if you want, nailed on remain would win now. 

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1 hour ago, BrexitGuy said:

Is that the best you can do? 

How about a human question? 

You want to get away from the EU.

 

In the cold cold light of day it’s impossible for the U.K. to ever be completely separate

 

So why not go somewhere else.  

 

Where the EU is far away

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The one thing that stikes me about the pro- Brexit camp is lack of long term plan they have had over 40 years to come up with one. 

 

We're heading for the exit date at full speed the government can't decide on what we want the opposition keep changing their  position on Brexit only the SNP and Libdems are clear on stopping Brexit and staying in the EU. Corbyn has said if he won an snap general election  he would still carry on with Brexit risking the young Labour vote who mostly want to remain it's time he got off the fence. Then we have May's deal that everyone loves to hate so May has gone rouge with scare stories of no deal in hope of frightening MP's into voting for her deal. In the meantime businesses are preparing for every outcome  without an clue on how to do it a bit like Brexit itself.

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10 hours ago, Lockdoctor said:

Of course the EU referendum was an election. 

Never been an election, elections decide  who holds public office, I don't recall voting for anyone in june 2016. Anyone who holds public office can also be voted out. Can we rejoin the EU in the future on the same terms as we have now? if not why not? would that not be an infringement on democracy? are people not allowed to change their minds? do they have to be silenced? Over to our house democracy expert-

 

 

 

Lockdoctor :)

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4 minutes ago, Dardandec said:

Never been an election, elections decide  who holds public office, I don't recall voting for anyone in june 2016. Anyone who holds public office can also be voted out. Can we rejoin the EU in the future on the same terms as we have now? if not why not? would that not be an infringement on democracy? are people not allowed to change their minds? do they have to be silenced? Over to our house democracy expert-

 

Lockdoctor :)

I'll take this one.

 

We would not be able to rejoin on the same terms - which at the moment are the most beneficial we could hope for, so we would throw these away is we left.

Why not? - because if we were allowed such beneficial terms, they would have to offer these term to every new entrant, someting they don't want to do - and it is they choice whether to offer this or not.

No, it wouldn't be an infringement on democracy - it would be through choice on the UK's behalf - we would have chosen to throw away our beneficial terms for something less beneficial - our democratic choice!

Yes, people should be allowed to change their minds, as long as they know the impact of changing their minds.

They should not be silenced - after all, as David Davies said, if people cannot change their minds they cease to live in a democracy.

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7 minutes ago, Litotes said:

I'll take this one.

 

We would not be able to rejoin on the same terms - which at the moment are the most beneficial we could hope for, so we would throw these away is we left.

Why not? - because if we were allowed such beneficial terms, they would have to offer these term to every new entrant, someting they don't want to do - and it is they choice whether to offer this or not.

No, it wouldn't be an infringement on democracy - it would be through choice on the UK's behalf - we would have chosen to throw away our beneficial terms for something less beneficial - our democratic choice!

Yes, people should be allowed to change their minds, as long as they know the impact of changing their minds.

They should not be silenced - after all, as David Davies said, if people cannot change their minds they cease to live in a democracy.

I was being sarcastic by the way. ;) Oh and it was aimed at Lockdoctor, because he knows more about democracy than anyone else on this planet. Need help ask an expert :)

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3 hours ago, BrexitGuy said:

Unlike most of the posters, I won't fall into the link proof source bucket.

Naturally, because what you post cannot be proven, it's garbage.

 

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If you want to disprove this, crack on. Because you won't.

Nah, easy peasy! :hihi:

 

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There's plenty out there that explains where our money has gone and how much of it comes back. Last year we paid in £8.9 billion more than we received back in subsidies.

Easy, £8.9bn you say..... here's some costs after leaving:

 

Between £6->20bn in costs related to customs delarations for UK businesses that trade with the EU, anually! (HMRC figures).

A 3000% increase in customs/border checks. Staffing alone will need to increase by at least an order of mangitude. Current budget £4.09bn, lets assume (generously) half that budget is wages, that's another £20bn, anually!

£5bn on pointless Galileo replacement :loopy:

New computer systems/departments to replicate functions currently handled centrally within the EU.. god knows, given the previous track record, anywhere from £100m->£10bn each. Anual costs, anyone's guess.

Going well, of course:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-national-audit-office-amyas-morse-customs-check-computer-it-system-a7837811.html

 

The burden on UK business alone will outstrip any savings from leaving. There is no Brexit dividend, entirely the opposite, taxes will need to rise to pay for it (as has already been made clear re: the NHS), and that's assuming trade doesn't suffer any ill effects.

 

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And although some believe this payment to be very low in comparison to GDP, maybe they don't get how a budget works.

It's clear given the estimated costs before we've even left, that the UK's EU membership represents huge savings overall.

 

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And as for EU cash..... Well that's a giggle in itself. Just look at the amount of debt the members states are in, when put against the GDP.

Yeah...On average, they're at almost exactly the same amount as the UK :?

 

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The EU is a failure.

On the terms you claim the EU is a failure, so is the UK :?

 

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3 hours ago, melthebell said:

Again, the debts are down to the individual countries governments and the EU try to tie them into financial plans to help get them back functioning correctly, NOT to make it worse :rolleyes:

Quite, corruption at home, not a result of EU membership.

 

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46 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Naturally, because what you post cannot be proven, it's garbage.

 

Nah, easy peasy! :hihi:

 

Easy, £8.9bn you say..... here's some costs after leaving:

 

Between £6->20bn in costs related to customs delarations for UK businesses that trade with the EU, anually! (HMRC figures).

A 3000% increase in customs/border checks. Staffing alone will need to increase by at least an order of mangitude. Current budget £4.09bn, lets assume (generously) half that budget is wages, that's another £20bn, anually!

£5bn on pointless Galileo replacement :loopy:

New computer systems/departments to replicate functions currently handled centrally within the EU.. god knows, given the previous track record, anywhere from £100m->£10bn each. Anual costs, anyone's guess.

Going well, of course:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-national-audit-office-amyas-morse-customs-check-computer-it-system-a7837811.html

 

The burden on UK business alone will outstrip any savings from leaving. There is no Brexit dividend, entirely the opposite, taxes will need to rise to pay for it (as has already been made clear re: the NHS), and that's assuming trade doesn't suffer any ill effects.

 

It's clear given the estimated costs before we've even left, that the UK's EU membership represents huge savings overall.

 

Yeah...On average, they're at almost exactly the same amount as the UK :?

 

On the terms you claim the EU is a failure, so is the UK :?

 

Greece would disagree with you on that. And as for the hugely inflated estimates for after Brexit.... Well those cannot be asserted as it hasnt happened yet. What is cast on is the amount paid to date. 

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18 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

Greece would disagree with you on that.

I've worked with quite a few greeks and they know full well where the blame lies.

 

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And as for the hugely inflated estimates for after Brexit.... Well those cannot be asserted as it hasnt happened yet.

Yeah, because HMRC have no idea about that sort of thing :?

 

There is absolutely no doubt that Brexit will cost the UK far more just in bureaucracy  and administration, than any possible savings from leaving.

 

See.. easy.. told ya! :hihi:

 

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24 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

Greece would disagree with you on that. And as for the hugely inflated estimates for after Brexit.... Well those cannot be asserted as it hasnt happened yet. What is cast on is the amount paid to date. 

We’re not Greece. 

 

We can be just like Greece if you want. Brexit will see to that.

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8 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

We’re not Greece. 

 

We can be just like Greece if you want. Brexit will see to that.

Then prepare to smash your plates next march x

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