The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[truman 10]

15 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

There are about 900,000 British ex-pats living in the EU.

I've just read that there are 1.3 million British people living in Australia.

How this has happened without the EU's FOM I simply can't comprehend!

Oh look Australia,part of the commomwealth,has British people living there,who'd have thought it?

[L00b 441]

48 minutes ago, Halibut said:

You still haven't said what's good about Brexit.

Money-making opportunities for the 0.01%.

 

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[Car Boot 10]

53 minutes ago, Halibut said:

How will recession, job losses, restricted movement and food shortages benefit the people exactly?

Economists have predicted fifteen of the next two recessions.

 

Think about it.

[RJRB 688]

Just wondering how the White Paper on future immigration policy sits with contributors on here.

Basically it just seems that it takes away any preference for EU workers whilst acknowledging the necessity for workers,both skilled and unskilled from overseas.

The main issue arising is the defining of skill in the wage or salary that it pays.

 

[L00b 441]

49 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Just wondering how the White Paper on future immigration policy sits with contributors on here.

Basically it just seems that it takes away any preference for EU workers whilst acknowledging the necessity for workers,both skilled and unskilled from overseas.

The main issue arising is the defining of skill in the wage or salary that it pays.

 

It does all that and, from a labour competition, it's great for the EU27: it's kryptonite for the UK job market's pull factor, which means EU27 employers get to pick from a bigger and better pool of mobile high-to-low skilled migrants.

 

I mean, take your average doctor or  STEM type: it's not a photo finish between FoM Berlin and non-FoM London. Likewise for fruit pickers between FoM Rhone and non-FoM Lincolnshire (especially given the £/€ at that pay level).

 

And that's for the objective assessment, before we consider the more subjective aspects, like the now-widespread perception of the UK's anti-immigration stance (your politicians' very vocal and very public adoption of UKIP themes did you no favour there) and that, at the higher end of the skillsets, migrants pick and choose on quality of life (and welcome) just as much as on pay.

 

For EU27 services, it's double-bonanza: not only do they get UK's market share of services exported throughout EU27 free of charge, but they also gain in capacity and quality with the best-of-breed mobile workforce that would have gone to the UK.

 

I've actually already seen that at work, with the Romanian paralegals we took on this year: they made it look an easy choice for them, between their ex-employer's projected internal promotion to a London office, and our new job offer in Lux, on around the same money.

 

Other favoured/up-and-coming landing sites like Oz, Canada and Dubai should likewise be getting more and better choice of ex-UK and non-UK-bound EU27 skilled workers; especially healthcare: immigration rules for immigration rules, might as well go where the pay, working conditions and weather are better 😂 

 

However, formany mixed families (UK/EU27) in the EU27, it's a calamity, particularly for those whose 'market value' of each partner is less than £30k: the choice for the UK partner is basically either stay with your EU27 spouse in the EU27, or move to the UK to be with your UK relatives, but you can't have both (since the EU27 will reciprocate whatever the UK does; currently, that immigration white paper).

 

Personally, we're partially in that situation (UK Mrs in EU27, I earn the €s). Partially, because I could walk into a multiples-of-£30k job in the UK tomorrow. But we're not going back to live in the Brexited UK (I'd lose half my prof.quals, and so am worth much more in EU27 post-Brexit). So UK mother in law is on a timed warning for when the time comes (care home or live with us: choice open until Brexit day, whether in 99 days or by end Dec 2020 or 2021). She voted for it, she can assume the personal consequences of her vote.

Edited December 21, 2018 by L00b

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

4 hours ago, Halibut said:

You still haven't said what's good about Brexit.

In a word, everything that all the Brexiteers have claimed. Ok more than one word.

 

Angel1.

[Car Boot 10]

6 hours ago, Lockdoctor said:

 Putin understands how  UK democracy works. The difference between the UK and Russia is that Russia have a system of managed democracy. The Russian system of democracy would suit all the people, who still want the UK to remain in the EU  because their state's policies always remain unchanged after their people vote in elections.

We are heading the same way. Vote for change, get the status quo.

 

In the event of another referendum, if Leave wins again (a second referendum would turbo charge Leave because what well-lunched Remainers are effectively telling the plebs to do is to vote again - and this time get it right) then there would be absolutely no reason to believe that the establishment would actually implement the will of the people.

If the establishment didn't implement the Leave result the first time, why would they do it on the second? If a democratic result can be betrayed once, it can certainly be betrayed twice.

[Flexo 10]

Brilliant. 

 

"What's good about Brexit?"

 

"I don't know. Ask someone else!"

 

[Car Boot 10]

4 hours ago, L00b said:

The EU isn't enforcing austerity: the EU is enforcing the fiscal pact which Italy signed up to, of its own free will.

The fiscal pact for Italy means austerity. No stimulus for growth. No growth so the national debt cannot be paid down. The Austerity measures mandated by the EU since the beginning of this decade have achieved little but to impoverish the Italian people. Italy was once one of the staunchest supporters of the EU. Now it is one of its biggest critics.

 

I guess the EU thinks that the rise of populist and  fascist political parties are completely unconnected to it's austerity measures.

 

Or that they are a price worth paying.

Edited December 21, 2018 by Car Boot

[Top Cats Hat 10]

15 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

In a word, everything that all the Brexiteers have claimed. Ok more than one word.

But much of what Brexiteers claim is contradictory so you can't support all of them !

[Car Boot 10]

18 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Which ever way the Brextremists spin it, after all the hype, fake news, electoral illegalities, financial irregularities,Russian involvement, lies on buses, and false promises the leave campaign could not convince more than 36.4% of the electorate to support them.

 

We don't need a second referendum just a government with the balls to say that there is no democratic mandate for this mess we find ourselves in and put an end to it.

Ah. You are a referendum result denier. One of those people.

[Magilla 510]

2 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Italy was once one of the staunchest supporters of the EU. Now it is one of its biggest critics.

... less so on a daily basis.

 

The reality is that Brexit has kicked favourability towards the EU dramatically upwards in member states.

 

Italy is no exception, favourability towards the EU is up 5 points this year and increasing.

 

Brexit is such a self inflicted disaster, right wing nationalists elsewhere have started telling each other to keep it real.