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12 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

We've been over this a million times, but we export 45% of our products to the EU, they import 11% of their products from us.

 

Who stands to lose more?

This is the fundamental economic reality of the negotiation process.

 

We come to the table from a much weaker position than the EU and we are really just discussing the fine detais. Those accusing May of rolling over, the EU of punishing  us or if we 'stood up to Brussels' we'd get a much better deal are just showing how little they know about the situation, including those who think that Corbyn or McDonnell would do any better.

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2 hours ago, Flexo said:

Reserves for emergencies?! There are no "reserves" at all! 

There is and we have several types. As of August 2018 the UK held $187.4 billion in foreign reserves and 310.3 tonnes of gold valued at todays value of $13.8 billion and there are also budget reserves held back for emergencies such as a sudden war etc. Local councils also hold reserves for emergencies and I think SCC have several £M held back.

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4 hours ago, L00b said:

Yeah. And last night, a homeless man in distress outside Westminster died in hospital.

An how many have recently died across the EU? How many are also living in poverty across the EU? You see its something that is widespread even in rich EU countries and not just something that is restricted to the UK

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16 minutes ago, apelike said:

An how many have recently died across the EU? How many are also living in poverty across the EU? You see its something that is widespread even in rich EU countries and not just something that is restricted to the UK

In Italy over 5 million people are living in ABSOLUTE poverty. The democratically elected coalition government attempted to do something about this and introduce a minimum income 'citizens wage' for the very poorest, as part of a draft budget.

 

The non-elected EU rejected this draft budget and threatened Italy with sanctions if the coalition government tried to help the poor. Not only is the EU an enemy of democracy, it's also an enemy of the poor.

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-italy-politics-poverty/poverty-in-italy-at-worst-for-12-years-new-government-vows-action-idUKKBN1JM23J

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The article doesn't mention the EU at all, not once.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

The article doesn't mention the EU at all, not once.

 

 

How about this one:

 

"Italy was threatened with sanctions. Last week, the government in Rome caved in, drafting a new, more austere budget. Whether it’s sufficient to placate the commission remains to be seen."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/16/europes-merciless-treatment-of-italy-only-hardens-popular-resentment

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2 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

You didn’t answer the question.

 

If the government expects that the suicide rate will increase should it continue?

The government is following the referendum result. And I've not heard anything about the suicide rate increasing after brexit.

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1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

A non binding, advisory only referendum does not give instructions, it just gives the government an idea about what the mood of the country is. Despite all the screaming and shouting, the 2016 vote obliges the government to do nothing.

 

Article 50 was triggered by an Act of Parliament and if the repercussions of following this through would be great damage to the people and the economy of the UK then there is nothing stopping the government, with the support of Parliament, changing tack.

 

We don't need a referendum to halt the Brexit process, and even if we did, the cranks, racists and extremists will still scream and shout. Most people would just sigh a huge sigh of relief.

At no time was the referendum said to us to be none-binding by those in power.

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2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

A non binding, advisory only referendum does not give instructions, it just gives the government an idea about what the mood of the country is. Despite all the screaming and shouting, the 2016 vote obliges the government to do nothing.

Still screaming and shouting that it was not binding are we when everybody already knows. They also knows that the result was carried out as promised by the government and sanctioned by parliament making the non-binding bit now a matter for the bin! No matter how often you keep repeating it its now well passed the stage of non-binding.

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Strange situation where the Eur

7 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

How about this one:

 

"Italy was threatened with sanctions. Last week, the government in Rome caved in, drafting a new, more austere budget. Whether it’s sufficient to placate the commission remains to be seen."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/16/europes-merciless-treatment-of-italy-only-hardens-popular-resentment

Interesting opinion piece.

 

So who's really at fault for Italy's woes, the EU or the Italian Government?

 

 

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8 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

At no time was the referendum said to us to be none-binding by those in power.

Statements by those in power are just those statements.

 

Nowhere in the legislation did it say anywhere, that the result would be anything other than advisory.

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4 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Nowhere in the legislation did it say anywhere, that the result would be anything other than advisory.

But in a democracy people should be able to change their mind and the MP's did just that!

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