Magilla   510 #7657 Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, andyofborg said: The deal is essentially the best on offer, on the whole I'm quite happy with it. It's nowhere near the best on offer, it's the best/least worst the UK is prepared to accept..... but I get your drift.  Just now, andyofborg said: The mps should vote to accept it then move on to sort some of the other pressing problems we face Unfortunately, those other problems are seriously exasperated because of this one  It's weird that the best offer now seems to be which leg to chop off  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BrexitGuy   0 #7658 Posted December 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Is that really your understanding of Britain's membership of the EU?  Really? Well where do you think a permanent inclusion into the EU will take us? You only have to listen to the remoaners on here to see it will ultimately end up as one solid state. It wont be long before Tescos photo booth will only take euros. Is that what you want? There are many ways we can go within the EU but it will come at a cost where the UK will lose its sovereignty and become just another branch of the new worlds state of Europe.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #7659 Posted December 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, Magilla said: You would have thought "You can't have your cake and eat it" was a fairly simple message Pretty sure I was posting to debunk that narrative even before the referendum. The problem was nevee the message, however simple: it's always been the hearing filter of the message recipients. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   863 #7660 Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, BrexitGuy said: Well where do you think a permanent inclusion into the EU will take us? You only have to listen to the remoaners on here to see it will ultimately end up as one solid state. It wont be long before Tescos photo booth will only take euros. Is that what you want? There are many ways we can go within the EU but it will come at a cost where the UK will lose its sovereignty and become just another branch of the new worlds state of Europe.  more lies...when did we sign up to the euro? in fact theres plenty of times we told the EU to stuff it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat   10 #7661 Posted December 19, 2018 I get what you're saying too but unfortunately many of the problems we face need cold hard cash.  Entering a deal where even the Bank of England and the government's own economic forecasters say will make us measureably poorer, is just plain reckless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #7662 Posted December 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, melthebell said: more lies...when did we sign up to the euro? in fact theres plenty of times we told the EU to stuff it If only more people read and understood the Lisbon Treaty...they'd realise the 'big bad federalised EU' of their imagination simply cannot happen. Not in their lifetime, nor that of their children, at the very earliest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BrexitGuy   0 #7663 Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, melthebell said: more lies...when did we sign up to the euro? in fact theres plenty of times we told the EU to stuff it You'll notice I never said weve signed up to the euro. I'm talking of what the future may bring should we remain. Folk are pretty quick to assume how bad things will get when we leave, but cant accept or believe things may change dramatically if we stay, which we wont. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   863 #7664 Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, BrexitGuy said: You'll notice I never said weve signed up to the euro. I'm talking of what the future may bring should we remain. Folk are pretty quick to assume how bad things will get when we leave, but cant accept or believe things may change dramatically if we stay, which we wont. so in other words, brextremists cant accept re"moaners" worries about what COULD happen if / when we leave, but are quick to scaremonger about what "could" happen if we stay  Bojo was littering his recent speeches with plenty too. The only way we'd join the euro is if WE wanted to join the euro, as you may have noticed weve already not joined the euro once, or schengen area, among others that we have vetoed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Flexo   10 #7665 Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, BrexitGuy said: You'll notice I never said weve signed up to the euro. I'm talking of what the future may bring should we remain. Folk are pretty quick to assume how bad things will get when we leave, but cant accept or believe things may change dramatically if we stay, which we wont. First they say the EU takes too long to make decisions, then they spread unfounded fear and doubt about "things may change dramatically if we stay".  Certainly by staying, the UK can have its seat at the table and exercise its veto. The record shows that the UK votes on the winning side in 95% of EU decisions, abstains in 3% and is on the losing side in just 2%.  Leave and have no influence.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BrexitGuy   0 #7666 Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, melthebell said: so in other words, brextremists cant accept re"moaners" worries about what COULD happen if / when we leave, but are quick to scaremonger about what "could" happen if we stay  Bojo was littering his recent speeches with plenty too. The only way we'd join the euro is if WE wanted to join the euro, as you may have noticed weve already not joined the euro once, or schengen area, among others that we have vetoed Yes, and they said that Donald Trump would never become president. Surely we all know by now that British politics is run by business, not fairness. We dont know what the future will hold no matter where we end up. We MAY wish to join the euro and then again a no deal exit might work too. There are valid points on all sides and everyone has an opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla   510 #7667 Posted December 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, melthebell said: so in other words, brextremists cant accept re"moaners" worries about what COULD happen if / when we leave, but are quick to scaremonger about what "could" happen if we stay Quite, of course the difference is that there's plenty of evidence to substantiate the "project fear" concerns, none whatsoever for the leavers "unicorn" promises, quite the opposite.  The best we can now hope for is that it won't be as bad as expected! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   863 #7668 Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said: Yes, and they said that Donald Trump would never become president. Surely we all know by now that British politics is run by business, not fairness. We dont know what the future will hold no matter where we end up. We MAY wish to join the euro and then again a no deal exit might work too. There are valid points on all sides and everyone has an opinion. There is more chance of us becoming less well off under brexit than there is of us being shafted more by the EU if we stayed Edited December 19, 2018 by melthebell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...