melthebell 862 #7597 Posted December 19, 2018 For those that say oh it doesnt matter about Ireland or the border. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hobinfoot 25 #7598 Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, L00b said: You should really read the fine print of that EU document. No cabotage for planes nor for trucks, and financial services interim measures are solely for derivatives and related instruments: bye bye asset management services, retail and corporate banking services, etc. It’s measures to keep the lights on in the U.K. and to mitigate the worst of the short-term impacts on the EU27: there are no freebies in there. None. The noises from Brussels via the usual sources (which have yet to be proven wrong as a matter of record), are that the Commission has washed its hands off the U.K., and that the only traction the U.K. could still expect lies with the Council. TM got what she deserved out of her bit of no-deal brinksmanship yesterday: you’re on your own. If this what the EU wants then it shows is that they never had anything but punishment in mind nothing more nothing less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman 10 #7599 Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, hobinfoot said: If this what the EU wants then it shows is that they never had anything but punishment in mind nothing more nothing less. You leave a club,you don't get the benefits... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BrexitGuy 0 #7600 Posted December 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, truman said: You leave a club,you don't get the benefits... But no longer have to pay subs. Especially when the subs were so high compared to other members. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat 10 #7601 Posted December 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said: Especially when the subs were so high compared to other members. Do you Brexiteers have a special facebook page or crank US website where you get all your fake news from? The UK is the second largest economy in the EU but pays the eighth highest contribution. This means that six countries with smaller GDPs than us pay in more. Yet another widely believed lie from the leave campain, that discredits the 2016 vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Litotes 63 #7602 Posted December 19, 2018 33 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said: But no longer have to pay subs. Especially when the subs were so high compared to other members. But you still have to pay the subs you owe, otherwise other clubs won't let you in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hobinfoot 25 #7603 Posted December 19, 2018 36 minutes ago, truman said: You leave a club,you don't get the benefits... Leaving the club is one thing. But that club being so petty is another. I wouldn't expect to have all the benefits after leaving. But a mutually beneficial relationship would suit both sides is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman 10 #7604 Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, hobinfoot said: Leaving the club is one thing. But that club being so petty is another. I wouldn't expect to have all the benefits after leaving. But a mutually beneficial relationship would suit both sides is. Why should non members get the same deal as members? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hobinfoot 25 #7605 Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, truman said: Why should non members get the same deal as members? I said I didn't expect us to have the same benefits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BrexitGuy 0 #7606 Posted December 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Do you Brexiteers have a special facebook page or crank US website where you get all your fake news from? The UK is the second largest economy in the EU but pays the eighth highest contribution. This means that six countries with smaller GDPs than us pay in more. Yet another widely believed lie from the leave campain, that discredits the 2016 vote. We are third highest on the list, behind Spain and Germany. But this is ignored by remoaners, as is the revelation that the UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back. In 2017 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4 billion. So the UK's 'net contribution' was estimated at nearly £9 billion. I would say that's a pretty hefty sum, unless you want to say this is a lie too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat 10 #7607 Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said: as is the revelation that the UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back. Since when was that a revelation? The whole point of EU economic strategy is to reduce the differences between all EU states and make us all richer. That means the strongest economies pay more, the weaker ones receive more. Redistribution of wealth on an international level. That's why Trump, Putin, the far right and the €urosceptic wing of the Tory party hate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ricgem2002 11 #7608 Posted December 19, 2018 tony abbot the former prime minister of australia see things different for us https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/tony-abbott-how-to-save-brexit/ makes you wonder whos trying to bully who Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...