The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[Top Cats Hat 10]

Any Brextremists getting giddy yesterday about a no deal exit should take a look at this morning's Prime Minister's questions. 

 

MP after MP of all parties, but significant numbers of Tories, getting on their feet raising question after question about the impact of no deal on their individual contituencies.

 

Opposition to any no deal is just about the only thing uniting the Commons at the moment.

[Magilla 510]

1 hour ago, melthebell said:

Funny thing is, "most" of the negative aspects of the EU are made up and used for propaganda purposes but then they want to jump straight into bed with an organisation thats built in a similar mould.

It's basically willful or genuine ignorance, There's really no other excuse.

 

Lockdoctors' Article 24 interpretation being a prime example. Totally detached from reality, or even basic common sense!

 

Anyway, time to get the popcorn out, juding by Ch4 news and Newsnight last night, the governments "no-deal" planning is essentially a non-starter.

 

Major suppliers to the NHS have no idea what's going on. All they've been told is to stockpile stuff but, as the guy from one of the suppliers stated last night, that would equate to football pitch sized storage areas and over half their anual turnover for components alone! Their entire business runs on JIT.

 

Then the guy from the largest customs clearing company in the UK, basically one word "armageddon"..  the only choice would be to ignore all borders completely and let everything in, then handle the fines and fallout later. Both a complete disaster for the UK.

 

If even a fraction of the so called "Project Fear" happens, civil unrest will be the least of our worries (IMHO).

 

Watching in Horror:

https://www.ft.com/content/29de018c-02cd-11e9-99df-6183d3002ee1

 

Edited December 19, 2018 by Magilla

[Car Boot 10]

15 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

I don’t care.

 

The Tories and their Labour enablers will be not be trusted for decades.

 

The Tory government strongly advised you to vote to stay in the EU.

Which you did.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

3 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

 

The Tory government strongly advised you to vote to stay in the EU.

Which you did.

A right wing leave campaign full of cranks, racists and xenophobes led and funded by millionaire businessmen and other anti working class elements advised you to vote to leave the EU.

 

Which you did.

[Magilla 510]

6 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

 

The Tory government strongly advised you to vote to stay in the EU.

So did Labour... your point?

[Magilla 510]

So, "3,500 service personnel held at readiness, including regulars and reserves, in order to support any government department on any contingencies they may need."

 

Of course, moving emergency supplies is exactly the job well covered by logistics companies, that have far more manpower and kit available to do it.

 

Doesn't sound like the no-deal planning is going well.....

 

 

Edited December 19, 2018 by Magilla

[apelike 10]

Surprise , surprise  the EU are also planning for a no deal brexit. Hauliers wont have to apply for permits for a nine-month period, Planes to be allowed to fly to and from the EU and UK financial services in certain areas to be recognised as equivalent to the EU's for one or two years.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46617152

[truman 10]

19 minutes ago, apelike said:

Surprise , surprise  the EU are also planning for a no deal brexit. Hauliers wont have to apply for permits for a nine-month period, Planes to be allowed to fly to and from the EU and UK financial services in certain areas to be recognised as equivalent to the EU's for one or two years.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46617152

What happens after the temporary period? It also says in the Mail..

"However, they would be barred from flying between EU airports, or operating services from Europe to the US." and " The document made clear that air traffic between the EU and UK would be 'interrupted' from March if there is no Brexit deal."

 

limits the airlines a bit doesn't it?

Edited December 19, 2018 by truman

[Magilla 510]

42 minutes ago, truman said:

What happens after the temporary period? It also says in the Mail..

"However, they would be barred from flying between EU airports, or operating services from Europe to the US." and " The document made clear that air traffic between the EU and UK would be 'interrupted' from March if there is no Brexit deal."

Also, haulier licenses doesn't address customs arrangements, businesses that rely on JIT are done.. basically (unless we're really not going to control our borders).

 

Lorry queues at Dover may back up to Maidstone or beyond

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/19/what-a-no-deal-brexit-could-mean-for-the-uk-in-five-charts

 

If I lived in Sunderland or Wales.... I'd be pretty worried by now........

 

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limits the airlines a bit doesn't it?

Totally, hence the likes of easyJet are moving.... into the EU. Best of both worlds.

 

Even British Airways is looking at becoming a Spanish company.

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2018 by Magilla

[L00b 441]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

Surprise , surprise  the EU are also planning for a no deal brexit. Hauliers wont have to apply for permits for a nine-month period, Planes to be allowed to fly to and from the EU and UK financial services in certain areas to be recognised as equivalent to the EU's for one or two years.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46617152

You should really read the fine print of that EU document. No cabotage for planes nor for trucks, and financial services interim measures are solely for derivatives and related instruments: bye bye asset management services, retail and corporate banking services, etc.

 

It’s measures to keep the lights on in the U.K. and to mitigate the worst of the short-term impacts on the EU27: there are no freebies in there. None.

 

The noises from Brussels via the usual sources (which have yet to be proven wrong as a matter of record), are that the Commission has washed its hands off the U.K., and that the only traction the U.K. could still expect lies with the Council.

 

TM got what she deserved out of her bit of no-deal brinksmanship yesterday: you’re on your own.

Edited December 19, 2018 by L00b

[nightrider 13]

2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Any Brextremists getting giddy yesterday about a no deal exit should take a look at this morning's Prime Minister's questions. 

 

MP after MP of all parties, but significant numbers of Tories, getting on their feet raising question after question about the impact of no deal on their individual contituencies.

 

Opposition to any no deal is just about the only thing uniting the Commons at the moment.

but not so much they are willing to take the measures needed to do something to stop it.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

58 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Even British Airways is looking at becoming a Spanish company.

British Airways are already a Spanish company in that it belongs to the International Airlines Group registered in Madrid.

 

What they are planning to do is move their management to Madrid and re register their fleet with the E-XXXX numbering rather than the G-XXXX numbering to allow them to continue to fly. In reality, the simplest way to do this would be to fully merge with Iberia and rebadge and re register the entire fleet.

 

Another thing the patriots and nationalists who voted leave probably didn't foresee was the end of one our our greatest national brands.