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15 minutes ago, Flexo said:

The owner of Wetherspoons wants Brexit because it makes him richer.

 

 

He more or less said that, when asked on Question Time or one of the other political shows during the referendum campaign.

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2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said:

Article 24 has never been implemented  before  and the UK don't have to stay in the transitional period. Of course the EC 27 don't  have to  continue to implement zero tariffs on UK goods.

If they don't, Article 24 cannot be used.

 

2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said:

 

The point of Article 24 is the UK would be free to treat the EU differently regarding tariffs from the rest of the World for up to 10  years.

Again, this isn't possible without the consent of the EU27. The interim would involve keeping FoM, EU budget contributions, and ECJ jurisdiction.

 

2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said:

Leaving the EU without a deal is the only option which doesn't  involve kicking the can down the road.

Nah, that's binning the can.

 

Again, no-deal was not a Brexit that anyone campaigned for, if it had been it's debatable whether leave would have won. I say no chance.

45 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

But here’s the thing. We now now what the deal is.

Indeed, if you agree to buy a Ferarri, then it turns out it's actually a Skoda... is it really right that you should still be forced to buy it?

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49 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

Democracy is about the will of the people now, not almost 3 years ago. 

No democracy is about the will of parliament who are our democratic representatives, and not the will of the people and that is where people get it wrong.

7 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Again, no-deal was not a Brexit that anyone campaigned for, if it had been it's debatable whether leave would have won. I say no chance.

What was campaigned for is immaterial as the choices were clear on the ballot paper for all to read. 

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3 minutes ago, apelike said:

No democracy is about the will of parliament who are our democratic representatives, and not the will of the people and that is where people get it wrong.

What was campaigned for is immaterial as the choices were clear on the ballot paper for all to read. 

So the will of the people in 2016 doesn't count then?

Edited December 17, 2018 by truman

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54 minutes ago, Flexo said:

People  have less money to spend when the economy is weak. They still want to go out for a treat but have less money. So Wetherspoons - which is at the low-cost end of the pub food market - gets more business.

 

The owner of Wetherspoons wants Brexit because it makes him richer.

 

 

I really can't see prices dropping to be honest it wasn't that long ago Tim Martin said prices were going up in his chain. If an no deal Brexit  happens and chaos follows it will hit his business and others too if the pound drops to low.

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4 minutes ago, truman said:

So the will of the peoploe in 2016 doesn't count then?

What do you class as the will of the people? They voted in a referendum which as been pointed out on may occasions was also advisory.

Edited December 17, 2018 by apelike

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3 minutes ago, apelike said:

What do you class as the will of the people? They voted in a referendum which as been pointed out on may occasions was also advisory.

Are you saying the choice made by the voters doesn't count and isn't democratic

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1 hour ago, I1L2T3 said:

I do accept it. 

 

In case you you haven’t noticed A50 has been invoked, and the U.K. and EU have been negotiating for two years. That alone indicated that the result has been respected. Nobody can say it hasn’t been, and in the meantime remainers have quietly, patiently protested.

 

But here’s the thing. We now now what the deal is. We know about serious illegality on the leave side. We know about Russian involvement. We now know that we were lied to.

 

Democracy is about the will of the people now, not almost 3 years ago. Things change and we need to move forward based on reality and what is now known. To suggest anything else is an affront to democracy.

Invoking A50 was only the start of the process not the end. The result of the referendum will be honoured when we leave in March.

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9 minutes ago, AntiBrexit said:

I really can't see prices dropping to be honest it wasn't that long ago Tim Martin said prices were going up in his chain. If an no deal Brexit  happens and chaos follows it will hit his business and others too if the pound drops to low.

Without being rude, Weatherspoons is the Poundshop of the pub business but whereas Poundshops are pretty much the cheapest shop for a lot of things, when pubs get expensive, people go to supermarkets or the cheap booze section of minimarts like Spar and Premier.

 

As Weatherspoons' customers are in the demographic which will be hit first and hardest by Brexit, Tim Martin may end up losing most of his customers! 😫

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28 minutes ago, Magilla said:

If they don't, Article 24 cannot be used.

 

Again, this isn't possible without the consent of the EU27. The interim would involve keeping FoM, EU budget contributions, and ECJ jurisdiction.

 

Nah, that's binning the can.

You're spouting nonsense and clearly have no understanding  of  WTO Article 24.  If the UK leaves the EU without a deal then the UK doesn't need the consent of the EU27 to implement zero tariffs on any goods whether they are from the EU or any where else in the World.  

1 hour ago, Flexo said:

People  have less money to spend when the economy is weak. They still want to go out for a treat but have less money. So Wetherspoons - which is at the low-cost end of the pub food market - gets more business.

 

The owner of Wetherspoons wants Brexit because it makes him richer.

 

 

The poorest people will benefit the most from zero tariffs on all food.  I don't agree that only poor people go to Wetherspoons. 

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41 minutes ago, apelike said:

What was campaigned for is immaterial as the choices were clear on the ballot paper for all to read. 

Staying the SM is leaving the EU, staying in the CU is leaving the EU, so is being in EFTA, so is staying in EASA, Euratom, Galileo and any number of other "common sense" solutions.

 

It was so clear that now we find ourselves in a position that no-one campaigned for or, that we can say with any certainty, really voted for

 

Clear as mud then

 

Edited December 17, 2018 by Magilla

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5 minutes ago, truman said:

Are you saying the choice made by the voters doesn't count and isn't democratic

Err, no.. In an advisory referendum neither choice counts unless parliament says it does and is democratic in principle only as the electorate are only given a direct vote to answer a question and it was either to remain or leave. It just so happens in this case that the government made a promise to the electorate to uphold the result and parliament accepted it.