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It was much more to do with age than class.

 

Under the age of 35 the majority of working class people voted remain. Over the age of 35 the majority of working class people voted to leave. Those aged 55+ voted to leave in all classes.

 

Mrs May can't revise the draft without further negotiation with the EU. The EU said on Thursday night that the withdrawal negotiations are closed and it is now simply a domestic matter for the British government.

 

Where are the figures from? All the under 35's I know voted leave,most of them had never voted before.

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Honestly, I'm not sure. Corbyn doesn't want a rerun, a people's or vote or anything - he wants a general election. A no deal would suit him nicely, country struggles, tories get turfed out and he rides in and saves the day on wave of socialism. That said there are enough pro- eu Labour MPs but they're not necessarily in pro-eu seats so I don't know which they'd vote. Rumours I've read suggests not many will.

Yes, exactly the rubbish party political nonsense. There's 2 years of CU followed by a 'similar' FTA, voting that down would turn lots of their core voters away in a gm.

Have any opinion polls been done on the deal? Perhaps they are waiting for the results of those?

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Leave should mean leave. It was a binary choice on the ballot paper. It's interesting your stance has changed in the forum since the EU Draft Withdrawal Agreement has been made public. The reason your stance has changed is because you understand if the UK sign up to the deal on offer then the UK will not be really leaving the EU. The democratic people who voted to leave the UK and were on the winning side of the EU referendum result are the people who should be the most unhappy about the deal on offer which Mrs May claims is in the national interest, but doesn't respect the democratic EU referendum vote.

 

Posts like this only reinforces your complete lack of understanding with respects to how our democracy works.

 

Under no circumstance is their a right or wrong way to leave the EU. The fact that Parliament will most likely vote down the deal doesn't seem to compute with you. What happens next is under the complete prerogative of Parliament and definitely not the likes of you.

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because the UK will no longer be officially in the EU

 

then the UK will not be really leaving the EU.

 

So which is it?

 

If the UK is no longer officially in the EU then that's the UK no longer in the EU. Being in or out of the EU is a legal absolute. We are either in or out. There is no half in or half out.

 

Whether you think that is properly out or not, is completely irrelevant. You may not be happy about it but you can no longer bang on about 'respecting the will of the people'.

 

It is now just your personal opinion.

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Brexit - You can't make it up (P94)

 

Brexiteer MP slams May because "the deal" means the UK won't have any MEP's when we've left the EU (and proceeds to make two short planks look intelligent)

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadie-dorries-slams-brexit-deal-leave-remain-jk-rowling-a8639216.html

Edited by Longcol

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Brexiteer MP slams May because "the deal" means the UK won't have any MEP's when we've left the EU (and proceeds to make two short planks look intelligent)

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadie-dorries-slams-brexit-deal-leave-remain-jk-rowling-a8639216.html

 

Nadine Dorries has always been a crackerjack.

 

She was on one of the political programmes the other week and she was spouting such nonsense that the fellow Brexiteer on with her didn't know where to put herself.

 

That's got to be up there with the leave supporting Lincolnshire farmer interviewed on Newsnight after the referendum, who was asked who would pick his crops after the UK left the single market. He replied "All my casual workers are from Romania. They're hard grafters and I suppose I will stick with them". The interviewer then asked him "Do you actually have any idea what you voted for?"

 

Who was it on here the other night who said that we should respect the validity of leave voters even if they hadn't a clue what they were voting for?

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Brexit - You can't make it up (P94)

 

Brexiteer MP slams May because "the deal" means the UK won't have any MEP's when we've left the EU (and proceeds to make two short planks look intelligent)

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadie-dorries-slams-brexit-deal-leave-remain-jk-rowling-a8639216.html

 

Strewth. I knew she was a stone bonker, but ye gods that's a new level of stupid, even considering her "clarification".

 

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Where are the figures from? All the under 35's I know voted leave,most of them had never voted before.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/567922/distribution-of-eu-referendum-votes-by-age-and-gender-uk/

or

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/oxmidrr5wh/EUFinalCall_Reweighted.pdf

 

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this wraps it up

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2016-06-28/vote1b.png

 

basically, older, less educated men most likely to vote leave, and young well educated women most likely to vote remain.

 

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Excerpt:

SYP Ch Insp said "We have preparations in place for 29th March 2019, to minimise the potential disruption, we'll be placing extra officers on Abbeydale Rd South and Baslow Road, any disruption to local residents by the loud stomping of Birkenstocks, and huffing and puffing of indignation, will be dealt with as swiftly and sensitively as possible "

On the medical front, the Clinical Director of Claremont hospital has put plans in place for additional hot stone and Hopi ear candle therapary rooms to deal with any increased incidences of PTSD.

The owner of The Ground Bean Cafe in Totley Brook said "Luckily my father has allowed us to stockpile additional almond milk and quinoa in his annexe, so we should be able to continue pretty much as normal throughout this stressful time".

So people can rest assured contingency plans are well in hand.

 

I think most well educated middle class remainers, even those holding out for a second vote, think that May has probably salvaged the best from a cabinet of ****ehawks and a demented decision and failing a magical unicorn riding in and turning the clock back, we should probably go with it.

 

Sure having your children's automatic right to live and work anywhere on the continent vanish in front of your eyes might cause some huffing and puffing to those whose horizons extend that far, and the epic turmoil of the next 5-10 years of trade and services negotiation is going to be a ballache, but at least lets get on with it.

 

Sadly, seems like she doesn't stand a chance of pushing it through parliament. Europe doesn't want to renegotiate, having secured 27 member agreement for the current negotiating stance and doctine, the ERG keep saying it makes the UK a vassal state, the Unionists - upon whose votes May's majority depends - are unhappy with it and want special pleading, and Labour is on the verge of calling for a second vote, but is still unsure which way the wind is blowing.

 

Can anyone recall a single brexiteer prediction or promise that has been borne out by reality. I can think of two dozen counterexamples ...

Edited by Phanerothyme

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I think the last two and a half years have proved conclusively just how hopeless a case it is for the UK to ever be a happy and stable country while we retain any form of our EU membership.

 

Too much has happened since the referendum. That so many Remainers obviously care so little for such a substantial part of the UK population, their fellow Leave voting countrymen and women. Instead preferring a mythical EU citizenship and snobbishly criticising and belittling those they call stupid, and not friend.

 

The EU has divided our nation. Why did we ever get involved with something so deeply controversial and likely to cause friction?

 

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Sure having your children's automatic right to live and work anywhere on the continent vanish in front of your eyes might cause some huffing and puffing to those whose horizons extend that far, and the epic turmoil of the next 5-10 years of trade and services negotiation is going to be a ballache, but at least lets get on with it.

 

It's quite amazing how many people think the grass is always greener elsewhere. I'd say the majority of working class people's ambitions to live and work overseas are just pipe dreams. Except for the rich and the affluent well off middle class, that is, who are handed all of the advantages in life.

 

The majority of working class people will never get to live and work anywhere other than their own country. Unless they have a sought after skill - in which case it makes no difference whether the UK is in the EU or not.

 

The world opens up to a sought after skill, and not just the EU backwater.

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The EU has divided our nation. Why did we ever get involved with something so deeply controversial and likely to cause friction?

 

It's David Cameron who divided our nation.

 

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The world opens up to a sought after skill, and not just the EU backwater.

 

Indeed it does, and EU membership does not prevent anyone attempting to ply their trade anywhere in the world.

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Excerpt:

 

I think we both know what I think about you having to make stuff up to have anything to say at all ;)

 

SYP Ch Insp said "We have preparations in place for 29th March 2019, to minimise the potential disruption, we'll be placing extra officers on Abbeydale Rd South and Baslow Road, any disruption to local residents by the loud stomping of Birkenstocks, and huffing and puffing of indignation, will be dealt with as swiftly and sensitively as possible "

On the medical front, the Clinical Director of Claremont hospital has put plans in place for additional hot stone and Hopi ear candle therapary rooms to deal with any increased incidences of PTSD.

The owner of The Ground Bean Cafe in Totley Brook said "Luckily my father has allowed us to stockpile additional almond milk and quinoa in his annexe, so we should be able to continue pretty much as normal throughout this stressful time".

So people can rest assured contingency plans are well in hand.

 

The irony, in case you hadn't noticed, it's leavers who're now upset :?

 

If, as you have repeatedly claimed, that you were out doing "stuff" while many of us were in nappies, then you must be pretty old (well beyond pensionable age).... have SYP got the wheelchair/zimmerframe facilities sorted?

 

You should ask 'em, it might be crucial! :P

 

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The EU has divided our nation.

 

The lies and mis-information from Brexiteers has divided our nation.

Edited by Magilla

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I think the last two and a half years have proved conclusively just how hopeless a case it is for the UK to ever be a happy and stable country while we retain any form of our EU membership.

 

Too much has happened since the referendum. That so many Remainers obviously care so little for such a substantial part of the UK population, their fellow Leave voting countrymen and women. Instead preferring a mythical EU citizenship and snobbishly criticising and belittling those they call stupid, and not friend.

 

The EU has divided our nation. Why did we ever get involved with something so deeply controversial and likely to cause friction?

Blame David Cameron for thinking the referendum would appease the shouters at the back, and thinking he didnt need a plan as we'd all vote remain.

Blame Nigel Farage for his decades of shouting at the back finally whittled down peoples tolerances.

Blame the media, also for decades of lies and consistant negatives on the likes of immigrants, muslims etc etc etc for finally whittling down peoples tolerances so they fell for the lies hook line and sinker.

 

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The world opens up to a sought after skill, and not just the EU backwater.

WE are about to become the backwater, not the EU :roll:

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The majority of working class people will never get to live and work anywhere other than their own country.

 

And the Evil Tory government are going to change this situation how ??

 

And why ??

 

Please, let us know how living conditions will improve for ordinary working folk like me under an Evil Tory governemnt ??

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