The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[woodview 10]

Not at all.

 

This was a technical decision, not one of opinion lsuch as what is your favourite colour?

 

Forming a decision on whether something is good or not for the UK does require the ability to actually look at the various economic arguments.

 

Championing ignorance is just as snobbish. This is the real world of real decisions which have real effects on people's lives. Every vote is just as valid but some people's votes are more informed than others.

 

But your clear implication is the votes from those less educated than someone like you, are less valid.

So should the 'ignorant' be barred from voting and only those with degrees be permitted?

 

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Cool, the next time you're seriously ill, don't bother with a doctor... give the plumber a call!

Wooosh

When you've got some life experience re-post.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

 

I think it dilutes our democratic input.

 

Of course it doesn't. Not only do we have an equal say in all decisions, we also have a veto.

 

We sat at the top table of the EU with a lot more influence than most other members. That's why many of the 27 members were absolutely gobsmacked at the UK government's decision to give it all up with nothing obvious to replace it.

[I1L2T3 10]

But your clear implication is the votes from those less educated than someone like you, are less valid.

So should the 'ignorant' be barred from voting and only those with degrees be permitted?

 

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Wooosh

When you've got some life experience re-post.

 

All votes are valid, but sometimes people can be persuaded to act against their own interests.

 

It’s human nature, and people have always needed leaders and decision makers to mitigate that.

[RiffRaff 10]

So free trade with the EU, that is what people wanted.

 

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What is the £39 billion for? Surely it would still be paid, deal or no deal. What cannot leave a club without agreeing to the legal costs, we joined the EU ACCEPTING THEIR RULES.

 

...and according to a BBC broadcast I heard a few minutes ago, it's a "minimum of £39 billion...."

[truman 10]

When you've got some life experience re-post.

 

Now who's being snobbish and trying to belittle someone else... here's a clue..it's you

[bendix 10]

I don't like the concept of centralised governement in europe. It is un-necessary simply for a free moving free trade area. I think it dilutes our democratic input.

 

 

Which is all well and good woodview, but how much of the decisions made in Brussels actually affected you as a Brit?

 

Who decided your tax rates?

Who set the base lending rates that set your mortgage?

Whose economic decisions on issues like QE affected the price of things in the supermarket?

Which EU rules prevented your local authorities from collecting your bins on time?

Who set the council tax?

Who decided when UK armed forces were mobilised overseas?

Who set public sector pay caps?

Who decided how much the government can borrow from overseas?

 

 

I'm struggling to see exactly what impact this so-called centralised government had on us to be honest.

[Magilla 510]

Wooosh

 

There is no wooosh, the point is clear.

 

If you're ill you go to someone who knows that they're talking about, their opinion *does* infact carry more validity than someone who is less educated in that field.

 

So, essentially, your premise is a nonsense when the question being asked is of a technical nature. Of course, the implications of the leave vote are indeed very technical, as such one of the main leaver mantras was "We don't need no experts"

 

When you've got some life experience re-post.

 

.. and it still is.

Edited November 15, 2018 by Magilla

[ez8004 10]

Tell you what, anyone who has the snobbish, eliteist arrogance to say their opinion carries more validity than someone who has less qualifications, but has raised a family, worked, seen life, formed relationships, experienced and survived in a hard world, needs a wake up call.

 

People who are more educated tend to develop better reasoned arguments instead of recycling political soundbites of others repeatedly.

 

There is a reason why people with less qualifications earn far less in general. Welcome to the real world. If you tried harder at school then maybe your life wouldn't be so hard and could provide for your family better.

[I1L2T3 10]

People who are more educated tend to develop better reasoned arguments instead of recycling political soundbites of others repeatedly.

 

There is a reason why people with less qualifications earn far less in general. Welcome to the real world. If you tried harder at school then maybe your life wouldn't be so hard and could provide for your family better.

 

It doesn’t quite work like that. Some people have basic and modest expectations in life. The ability to live a stable life in that way has been progressively eroded.

 

People see the EU as the agent for that erosion. They’re almost completely wrong of course but that is what they’ve been taught to attack.

[woodview 10]

There is no wooosh, the point is clear.

 

If you're ill you go to someone who knows that they're talking about, their opinion *does* infact carry more validity than someone who is less educated in that field.

 

So, essentially, your premise is a nonsense when the question being asked is of a technical nature. Of course, the implications of the leave vote are indeed very technical, as such one of the main leaver mantras was "We don't need no experts"

 

 

 

.. and it still is.

 

What qualifications should you have to botebin the refendum then? A Phd in international government, is a sports degree from uni of east anglia ok?

Matey boy Corbyn is a Leaver too remember, he just likes to keep quiet aboutnit these days. Yiu still seem to struggle grasping the importance of life experience vs qualifications. It may come when you have some.

[apelike 10]

Everybody should have a chance to voice their opinion, but it’s fair to say that a lot of less well educated people have had their minds filled with utter crap from the DM, the Sun and the likes of Farage. They have been deliberately targeted.

 

And yet it was the very well educated ones in government who have previously and now recently called for a referendum to be held. It was also those who are well educated in parliament who also agreed to hold one, subsequently trigger A50 and pass the great repeal bill. We either have a democracy that allows all regardless of skin colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation, education or disabilities to vote as equals or we scrap the idea. If its the former then we must also accept the democratic outcome as well regardless of whether we personally agree. And yes I know people can be manipulated as that is what governments have been doing to them for decades.

Edited November 15, 2018 by apelike

[Bob Arctor 11]

It doesn’t quite work like that. Some people have basic and modest expectations in life. The ability to live a stable life in that way has been progressively eroded.

 

People see the EU as the agent for that erosion. They’re almost completely wrong of course but that is what they’ve been taught to attack.

 

Hasn't Dominic Raab just resigned in protest at himself?