Lockdoctor   10 #3397 Posted September 21, 2018 There were plenty of warnings about NI But the leave campaigns very deliberately avoided that issue At least you are being honest about the warnings.  When there is a vote such as a referendum, people have the opportunity to listen to both sides of the argument before deciding which way to vote. People also have the choice to only listen to one side of an argument. People also have the choice to listen to no sides of the argument, if their minds are already made up. All voters in the EU referendum vote were adults and it was their own responsibility how they decided which way to vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
davyboy   18 #3398 Posted September 21, 2018 Let us suppose a second referendum overturns the vote to leave. What conditions would the EU stipulate to allow us back in knowing that they have us over a barrel? Or would they welcome us with open arms : all is forgiven let's forget it ever happened? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lockdoctor   10 #3399 Posted September 21, 2018 Let us suppose a second referendum overturns the vote to leave. What conditions would the EU stipulate to allow us back in knowing that they have us over a barrel? Or would they welcome us with open arms : all is forgiven let's forget it ever happened? There is no justification to have another EU referendum.  In a hypothetical situation you describe, then the decision whether the UK stayed in the EU would be out of both the UK Government and the UK People's hands because all the 27 EU countries would have to agree to allow the UK to remain in the EU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
convert   10 #3400 Posted September 21, 2018 Let us suppose a second referendum overturns the vote to leave. What conditions would the EU stipulate to allow us back in knowing that they have us over a barrel? Or would they welcome us with open arms : all is forgiven let's forget it ever happened?  What if Leave won the 2nd vote, what margin would be acceptable to the remainers?  60:40, 66:34, 70:30, 80:20 or 99:1 ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   862 #3401 Posted September 21, 2018 Let us suppose a second referendum overturns the vote to leave. What conditions would the EU stipulate to allow us back in knowing that they have us over a barrel? Or would they welcome us with open arms : all is forgiven let's forget it ever happened? Interesting point, sadly one we dont know, the goverment and brexstreemists are too pig headed to find out and keep flatly saying there wont be one. Just like brexit all along, there is no plan, NOBODY is working things out, finding the best course of action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
80peter   10 #3402 Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) What I read about the Austria meeting and how that French President spoke about our Prime Minister it's time to do the walk.  The EU have no intention of giving this country an deal. Edited September 21, 2018 by 80peter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lockdoctor   10 #3403 Posted September 21, 2018 Interesting point, sadly one we dont know, the goverment and brexstreemists are too pig headed to find out and keep flatly saying there wont be one. Just like brexit all along, there is no plan, NOBODY is working things out, finding the best course of action. Mrs May stated when she first became Prime Minister that a no deal is better than a bad deal. Mrs May stated yesterday the UK are getting close to walking away without a deal. At this moment of time the best course action might be to walk away without a deal. However, the negotiations are still ongoing so a deal could still happen, but there didn't seem much goodwill from the EU yesterday which will need to change for a deal to be agreed. A no deal before the UK leave the EU doesn't mean a deal can't be agreed after the UK leave the EU.  ---------- Post added 21-09-2018 at 10:38 ----------  What I read about the Austria meeting and how that French President spoke about our Prime Minister it's time to do the walk.  The EU have no intention of giving this country an deal. It does seem Mrs May was setup and the comments by the French President were a disgrace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
80peter   10 #3404 Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) Mrs May stated when she first became Prime Minister that a no deal is better than a bad deal. Mrs May stated yesterday the UK are getting close to walking away without a deal. At this moment of time the best course action might be to walk away without a deal. However, the negotiations are still ongoing so a deal could still happen, but there didn't seem much goodwill from the EU yesterday which will need to change for a deal to be agreed. A no deal before the UK leave the EU doesn't mean a deal can't be agreed after the UK leave the EU.  May needs dig her heels in. I remember seeing an photo of a EU meeting Merkel was their looking mad had has anything along with the rest of that crew Trump sat their cool has a cucumber arms crossed. I'm no Trump supporter but he had the right idea don't be pushed around keep a cool head if the deal is not right head for the door. Edited September 21, 2018 by 80peter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #3405 Posted September 21, 2018 Let us suppose a second referendum overturns the vote to leave. What conditions would the EU stipulate to allow us back in knowing that they have us over a barrel? Or would they welcome us with open arms : all is forgiven let's forget it ever happened? The EU would very much facilitate the U.K. remaining in the EU, with little in the way of demands.  It would not make political or economical sense to press the U.K. for concessions. Particularly when it’s already haemorrhaged so much business, talent and goodwill.  All of the U.K.’s woes are self-inflicted, so it’s for the U.K. to ask to be allowed to stay in, it’s not the EU’s responsibility to decide the U.K.’s course of action.  As for Macron, never truer words. They were long overdue, and I’m both glad and proud it was him who said them, rather than Merkel, Juncker or Varadkar.  Trust the truth to be hurting Brexit snowflakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #3406 Posted September 21, 2018 It does seem Mrs May was setup and the comments by the French President were a disgrace.  No. Everything he said was perfectly true and is something that has needed to be said for a very long time.  The UK, well, the Brexiters are behaving like spoilt children. They've just been spanked in public as is befitting and the first thing they do is cry about it. Perhaps learning from it would be a better way forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lockdoctor   10 #3407 Posted September 21, 2018 May needs dig her heels in. I remember seeing an photo of a EU meeting Merkel was their looking mad had has anything along with the rest of that crew Trump sat their cool has a cucumber arms crossed. I'm no Trump supporter but he had the right idea don't be pushed around keep a cool head if the deal is not right head for the door. The problem Mrs May has always had is the majority of Parliament never wanted the UK to leave the EU and still didn't want to after the democratic people gave them their instructions. Legislation may have been passed in Parliament to authorise the UK to leave the EU but too many MPs want the UK to only leave the EU in name only which wouldn't respect the democratic vote. When Mrs Thatcher dug her heels in when she dealt with the EU, she had the support of Parliament and the media. Sadly nowadays there is not the same pride in our country and too many people would rather side with the EU rather than support their own country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat   10 #3408 Posted September 21, 2018  The EU have no intention of giving this country an deal.  That's nonsense!  It is very much in the interest of the EU to do a deal with the UK but they are not going to break their own rules to do so. It is pointless Teresa Mayhem setting out red lines because the EU can never accept them.  Of course we knew all this in 2016. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...