The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[L00b 441]

The facts are Mrs May called a General Election in 2017 because she wanted more support to deliver Brexit because she couldn't rely on enough members of her own party to support her and wanted a much larger majority in parliament. At the time of calling the election she believed the General Election would be about one issue (Brexit) However, General Elections are never about one issue and other non Brexit issues resulted in the Conservatives losing the majority won by David Cameron.

The fact, proven by the Tory’s very own 2017 GE manifesto, is that your claim-

It's an unusual situation at the moment because the democratic people voted for Brexit while the governance the people have elected didn't want Brexit.

was demonstrably wrong.

Leave Won

So did Maggie, John Major, Tony Blair, David Cameron, Theresa May, (...).

 

For your own sake, and that of your sanity, you might want to get used to the idea that democratic choices are never static. In a true democracy, that is.

 

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Johnson and Mogg and their think tank group want a Brexit that benefits them alone and no else .May weather's the strom and blowing batteries has her sanity is taken too the edge, her ' Chequers' the only thing she has Corbyn just doing the Corbyn duck and dives God only knows what the Lib Dems are doing hence the door is open for a new party.

It might be open ideologically (...and I have my doubts), but it’s still firmly shut practically: how are you going to elect ‘new party’ MPs under your current FPTP system?

 

Irrespective, you’re well out of time, for ‘new party’ to come along and start fixing the U.K. without some major (major MAJOR) pain to everyone. Arguably worse than under Brexit alone (goes back to my point about finding the money to underwrite the policies, given the financial ball & chain UK is still dragging after 10 years of slashing budgets).

Edited September 17, 2018 by L00b

[Top Cats Hat 10]

 

It is a big shame the country didn't pull together after the referendum vote and all got behind the UK leaving the EU

 

If the country had been that stupid, it still would not have made a blind bit of difference to where we are now.

 

The Institute for Government has just released an interesting analysis of the Brexit negotiation process.

 

"Preparations for the London Olympics took more than a decade.

 

The automatic pension enrolment programme, took more than a decade.

 

The Canada trade deal took over seven years.

 

The digitisation of the tax system took over five years."

 

Brexit is many times more complicated than any of the above projects and the reality is is that even if everyone had got behind 'Call me Dave' in June 2016, by 2026 we would still not have finished negotiating the deal.

 

The only way we can achieve any deal in the six months remaining, is to sign up to 90% of EU bodies and join some kind of customs union. That of course, leaves us subject to EU laws, the ECJ and with no say in the rule making. The pitchfork and flaming torch brigade will be spitting nails but if they want us out of the EU by March of next year, they will have to accept it!

Edited September 17, 2018 by Top Cats Hat

[Lex Luthor 10]

So 25% of the country vote to leave the EU and you think that the other 75% should get behind them and back leaving the UK? What possible sense does that make?

 

My suspicion that you are on drugs has just got a lot stronger!

 

It's the 'democracy' that our country is based on, so I do.

 

Insults simply make your arguments less credible.

 

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How on earth would the General Election be about Brexit when both major parties has the same policy on Brexit?

 

The Lib Dems were the only party who fought on a non-Brexit promise. How did they do again?

[80peter 10]

Maybe the Brextremists should leave and go and live in Bulgaria.

 

Just been a piece about an 'English ghetto' in Bulgaria on the BBC News, and the people interviewed were saying "it's wonderful here! It's just like being in England 50 years ago!"

 

Nothing wrong with Bulgaria you would love it.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

 

Insults simply make your arguments less credible.

 

But no less valid!

[Lex Luthor 10]

But no less valid!

 

That would depend on your definition of valid - as your insults might lead people to conclude that your thinking is less sound or reasonable.

[gomgeg 10]

Maybe the Brextremists should leave and go and live in Bulgaria.

 

Just been a piece about an 'English ghetto' in Bulgaria on the BBC News, and the people interviewed were saying "it's wonderful here! It's just like being in England 50 years ago!"

What? Do you mean like the remoaners on here who've been telling us since the referendum that they're leaving? They're still all here, every waking hour on the forum.

[Lockdoctor 10]

 

The Lib Dems were the only party who fought on a non-Brexit promise. How did they do again?

That is true. When the 2017 General Election was called the experts predicted that the people who voted for UKIP in 2015 would vote Conservative but what actually happened was that Labour picked up more UKIP voters than was expected. The exception was Mansfield which voted for a Conservative MP. Jeremy Corbyn performed better in the election campaign than expected and Mrs May performed badly. Also more younger people voted than expected, who mostly voted for Labour. It is a fact that the result of the 2017 General Election didn't turn out as expected when Mrs May announced the snap election just after her Easter holiday.

 

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The fact, proven by the Tory’s very own 2017 GE manifesto, is that your claim-

was demonstrably wrong.

So did Maggie, John Major, Tony Blair, David Cameron, Theresa May, (...).

 

For your own sake, and that of your sanity, you might want to get used to the idea that democratic choices are never static. In a true democracy, that is.

What was in the Tory manifesto proves nothing. You have only proved you can't analyse the reasons why people make democratic choices.

[tinfoilhat 11]

That is true. When the 2017 General Election was called the experts predicted that the people who voted for UKIP in 2015 would vote Conservative but what actually happened was that Labour picked up more UKIP voters than was expected. The exception was Mansfield which voted for a Conservative MP. Jeremy Corbyn performed better in the election campaign than expected and Mrs May performed badly. Also more younger people voted than expected, who mostly voted for Labour. It is a fact that the result of the 2017 General Election didn't turn out as expected when Mrs May announced the snap election just after her Easter holiday.

 

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What was in the Tory manifesto proves nothing. You have only proved you can't analyse the reasons why people make democratic choices.

 

It's very rarely based on reason or facts!

[Lockdoctor 10]

It's very rarely based on reason or facts!

I agree, it is based on trying to get elected. There is a theory that David Cameron only put the offer a EU referendum in the 2015 General Election manifesto because he didn't believe the Conservatives would win a majority and he could drop the pledge of a EU referendum in return for the support of the Lib Dems for another coalition.

[Anna B 1,414]

Why on earth would you expect everyone to pull behind the vote?

 

Do you expect the losers in a General Election to switch to the winning party?

 

Why were YOU not pulling behind the decision to stick with the EU after the referendum in the 1970's?

 

Brexiters - respecting democracy as little as possible to get the result they want...

Excuse me, it's not the Brexiteers refusing to respect the vote. They won it.

 

As for the rest of your post - Nobody is especting the losing voters to change allegience to the winning party, but they are expected to respect the vote. That is respecting Democracy.

[Magilla 510]

Dunno if this has been posted:

 

Jaguar workers put on three-day week until Christmas

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45550025

 

"Brexit chaos" apparently.... by Xmas they'll probably know if they're going to be losing their jobs.

 

Jaguar boss issues stark warning for jobs and profits

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45489818