The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[Lockdoctor 10]

Well we have found one MP who has some honour. Well done that man. What happens now will be interesting. As the remoaner PM has told us many many times, BREXIT means BREXIT. So deliver it Mrs May.

 

Angel1.

He's been supported by another, MP Peter Bone. Peter Bone stated the proposed plan didn't respect the wishes of the 17 million people who voted to leave the EU. I think it would be hard for whoever is Prime Minister to deliver a BREXIT because the majority of the MPs from all parties don't want the UK to leave the EU. At the end of the day too many MPs don't respect the wishes the democratic people made and seek to prevent the UK completely leaving the EU. The UK will not be leaving the EU, if it stays in the Single Market and Customs Union which seems to be the main reason why Mr Davis has resigned.

 

The big fear is that the UK could end up with Corbyn being Prime Minister as a consequence of MPs not respecting the democratic wishes the people made in the EU referendum.

 

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There’s not enough of them to install a hardline Brexit PM

 

It’s why they’ve kept May afloat

You mean there is not enough, to install a PM who will carry out the democratic wishes the people voted for. Hardline BREXIT is term invented by someone who doesn't respect democracy just like the term Soft Brexit is.

[tinfoilhat 11]

He's been supported by another, MP Peter Bone. Peter Bone stated the proposed plan didn't respect the wishes of the 17 million people who voted to leave the EU. I think it would be hard for whoever is Prime Minister to deliver a BREXIT because the majority of the MPs from all parties don't want the UK to leave the EU. At the end of the day too many MPs don't respect the wishes the democratic people made and seek to prevent the UK completely leaving the EU. The UK will not be leaving the EU, if it stays in the Single Market and Customs Union which seems to be the main reason why Mr Davis has resigned.

 

The big fear is that the UK could end up with Corbyn being Prime Minister as a consequence of MPs not respecting the democratic wishes the people made in the EU referendum.

 

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You mean there is not enough, to install a PM who will carry out the democratic wishes the people voted for. Hardline BREXIT is term invented by someone who doesn't respect democracy just like the term Soft Brexit is.

 

Should have voted for one at the last election.

 

I think it's useful our chief negotiator has resigned for not getting what he wants. Good practice for what lies ahead!

[Bob Arctor 11]

Should have voted for one at the last election.

 

I think it's useful our chief negotiator has resigned for not getting what he wants. Good practice for what lies ahead!

 

Maybe he's 'retired hurt' with a dodgy back, having bent over so much during the last round of negotiations

[Lockdoctor 10]

Should have voted for one at the last election.

 

I think it's useful our chief negotiator has resigned for not getting what he wants. Good practice for what lies ahead!

For many people at the last election issues such as social care, winter fuel payments and student loans were a bigger priority than Brexit.

 

Not sure of your point regarding our chief negotiator. He seems to have resigned because he believes Mrs May is going to make too many concessions to the EU and she is putting the UK into a weak negotiating position. Time will tell if he is proved correct. He must have thought long and hard about his decision over the weekend.

[tzijlstra 11]

For many people at the last election issues such as social care, winter fuel payments and student loans were a bigger priority than Brexit.

 

Not sure of your point regarding our chief negotiator. He seems to have resigned because he believes Mrs May is going to make too many concessions to the EU and she is putting the UK into a weak negotiating position. Time will tell if he is proved correct. He must have thought long and hard about his decision over the weekend.

 

He is correct, the tantalising thing is that he has only just realised how weak the UK's position is in these discussions. For someone so adamant that Brexit is brilliant, it now turns out that actually, all those cakes he, and his friends, was promising, they are not coming. So have no cake and not eat it.

 

Too much to stomach, so he bails. The last Tories that did so are, rightfully, remembered as weak (Cameron and co).

[altus 540]

For many people at the last election issues such as social care, winter fuel payments and student loans were a bigger priority than Brexit.

Social care, winter fuel payments and student loans (and lots of other things) will always be a bigger concern for most people than brexit - that's why the leave campaigns were so desperate to avoid discussion of the economic consequences of what they were advocating.

[Lockdoctor 10]

He is correct, the tantalising thing is that he has only just realised how weak the UK's position is in these discussions. For someone so adamant that Brexit is brilliant, it now turns out that actually, all those cakes he, and his friends, was promising, they are not coming. So have no cake and not eat it.

 

Too much to stomach, so he bails. The last Tories that did so are, rightfully, remembered as weak (Cameron and co).

If the UK are in a weak negotiating position, then it is the fault of all the MPs who have not accepted the referendum result and not supporting the UK completely leaving the EU. The EU know Parliament doesn't support BREXIT and are exploiting the situation. The situation would be no better, if there was a Labour Government.

[altus 540]

Dominic Raab replaces Davis as Brexit Secretary.

[Lockdoctor 10]

Social care, winter fuel payments and student loans (and lots of other things) will always be a bigger concern for most people than brexit - that's why the leave campaigns were so desperate to avoid discussion of the economic consequences of what they were advocating.

My point is a General Election is never about one issue, which the last one proved, while a referendum vote is about one issue. Mrs May made a big mistake in over estimating the number of people who voted to leave the EU who would also vote for the Tory party in the General Election.

[truman 10]

If the UK are in a weak negotiating position, then it is the fault of all the MPs who have not accepted the referendum result and not supporting the UK completely leaving the EU. The EU know Parliament doesn't support BREXIT and are exploiting the situation. The situation would be no better, if there was a Labour Government.

 

What about those MPs whoes constituencies voted Remain? Would you expect them to just accept it and not show any opposition?

[L00b 441]

If the UK are in a weak negotiating position, then it is the fault of all the MPs who have not accepted the referendum result and not supporting the UK completely leaving the EU. The EU know Parliament doesn't support BREXIT and are exploiting the situation. The situation would be no better, if there was a Labour Government.

The UK were always in a weak negotiating position relative to the EU27 as a solitary bloc, and still more so once May triggered Article 50 and Parliament yay’d it.

 

The EU27 have never needed the U.K. more than the U.K. needed the EU.

 

Pity so very many failed to understand the above in good time, but no point crying over spilt milk now.

 

Accessorily, by the evidence of the latest posts, a lot of people have yet to learn, and understand, the difference between a representative democracy and an ochlocracy. I’m not surprised they’re on the Brexit-supporting side.

[Lockdoctor 10]

What about those MPs whoes constituencies voted Remain? Would you expect them to just accept it and not show any opposition?

Yes, because the vote to leave was a collective decision by the whole of the UK. I voted to Remain, but accept Leave WON. For BREXIT to work best, the UK has to fully leave the EU and all the MPs should have supported it.