semerpus   10 #61 Posted July 3, 2018 I’m guessing as they’re not planning on running any tram services they’re expecting a lot of their staff to strike!  Well they’re might not be a strike as the new offers out to ballot.  Fundamentally strikes will equal loss in takings which’ll lead to less in the pot...strikes rarely achieve anything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
foxydebs   35 #62 Posted July 3, 2018 Spoken like a driver ? That’d depend on how many actually strike  That would also depend on how many are in union. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
cgksheff   44 #63 Posted July 3, 2018 That would also depend on how many are in union.  Not necessarily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BigAl1   142 #64 Posted July 4, 2018 I’ve just spoken to a mate who works at Supertram who says that this new & improved offer actually means less take home pay at the end of the month than the previous offer - so how can they call it new and improved is beyond me. Think this might run and run. I’ll be working from home a couple of days next week, but not everybody has that luxury!  This is exactly what I meant - it is pure madness and one would think that management would simply show what they would earn under the new and old schemes for the standard week no overtime and then in increments of overtime hours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mrmw   10 #65 Posted July 4, 2018 This is exactly what I meant - it is pure madness and one would think that management would simply show what they would earn under the new and old schemes for the standard week no overtime and then in increments of overtime hours.  One would think , if this is (and I don’t believe it is for one second) a union rep would see straight through this straight away and would refuse to even put it to members.  Interesting yesterday to read that Unite were bragging yesterday of a £46 million strike fund which they are itching to use .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BigAl1   142 #66 Posted July 4, 2018 One would think , if this is (and I don’t believe it is for one second) a union rep would see straight through this straight away and would refuse to even put it to members. Interesting yesterday to read that Unite were bragging yesterday of a £46 million strike fund which they are itching to use ....   Of course ironically by calling a strike for better pay is how they are demonstrating to their members the value of the union!  However both sides are at fault and should clearly show the staff/members exactly what the offer is / what they want and allow the staff to make informed decisions as to whether they want to accept or strike.  I have often wondered if anyone calculates how long it will take the staff to make up the lost pay from strike days Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dacrlit   18 #67 Posted July 4, 2018 Why? Is it to help their comrades in arms on the Trains? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
EmmaJones76 Â Â 10 #68 Posted July 4, 2018 Why? Is it to help their comrades in arms on the Trains? Â No, they are striking over totally different things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dacrlit   18 #69 Posted July 4, 2018 No, they are striking over totally different things.  Oh, right. Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Michael_N Â Â 33 #70 Posted July 4, 2018 What speaks volumes to me in all this, is the fact how recruitment used to be very few and far between on the trams, now it seems as if they can't either retain the existing staff or recruit the extra staff - so much so that an recruitment day is required and they have openly stated that this is the 1st time that one has been required. Â So somehow, I would assume the problems are more deep rooted than pay. From what has been stated it sounds like a good deal, but obviously we don't know all the details of the terms and conditions that Supertram would impose, should their employees accept this deal. Â Fingers crossed strike action can be averted on Monday! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mrmw   10 #71 Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) What speaks volumes to me in all this, is the fact how recruitment used to be very few and far between on the trams, now it seems as if they can't either retain the existing staff or recruit the extra staff - so much so that an recruitment day is required and they have openly stated that this is the 1st time that one has been required. So somehow, I would assume the problems are more deep rooted than pay. From what has been stated it sounds like a good deal, but obviously we don't know all the details of the terms and conditions that Supertram would impose, should their employees accept this deal.  Fingers crossed strike action can be averted on Monday!  A lot of assumptions . Most employees bitch about their management and forget they’re employed to do a job and have a job description... and that their managers have a job description and are also managed....    Maybe the recruitment day is so they actually attract the right kind of people with the right attitude and mix of customer skills... maybe managers have managed people properly and weeded our the lazy , those with bad attitudes or those who take the **** with sickness Edited July 5, 2018 by nikki-red fixed the quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
foxydebs   35 #72 Posted July 5, 2018 Not necessarily.  Well if they aren't in the union I'm guessing the management would expect them to provide some kind of service as they didn't vote for strike action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...