the_bloke   17 #37 Posted July 11, 2018 Or perhaps more people use it because with 4 times the level of spending it's much more useable.  Chicken and egg in my opinion. Do more people use it because it's better, or is it better because more people need to use it?  It's also not so clear cut as spending per head; London is an enormous tourist destination, so all those tourist users aren't going to be factored in the simple sum of £xx divided by yy population which is what I assume is being used. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #38 Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) It's not "more people" getting the same spend per head though. More people would result in more money obviously. But they get four times as much PER PERSON.  As an example of under investment in northern transport, consider the difficulty of commuting from Sheffield to Manchester. In London terms that's about the same distance of one side of the city to the other, zone 5 to zone 5. Look at the trains that run, the over crowding, under services, SLOW, trains. Imagine how much both cities would be improved by a fast, voluminous, frequent train link during commuting times. Leeds is a similar distance, but at least has somewhat quicker trains. Edited July 11, 2018 by Cyclone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
geared   302 #39 Posted July 11, 2018 and look at the trains themsleves, rough, smelly and worn-out.  We were even offered decades old tube trains as an 'upgrade' ours are so poor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
altus   534 #40 Posted July 11, 2018 It's not "more people" getting the same spend per head though. More people would result in more money obviously. But they get four times as much PER PERSON. Just to put the maths in perspective for the_bloke - that would mean at any time there were three times as many tourists in London as the size of the local population. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
geared   302 #41 Posted July 11, 2018 It's also not so clear cut as spending per head; London is an enormous tourist destination, so all those tourist users aren't going to be factored in the simple sum of £xx divided by yy population which is what I assume is being used.  Don't forget the large number of people that travel to London from outside on a daily basis for work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #42 Posted July 11, 2018 Don't forget the large number of people that travel to London from outside on a daily basis for work.  Made possible by excellent public transport.  If the work force in the north were more mobile through better transport (including roads) then there would be economic benefit for area. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sedith   19 #43 Posted July 11, 2018 I live in the south and believe me 'the north south divide' only exists in the north of England. Your average southerner is indifferent to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #44 Posted July 12, 2018 People who benefit from 'divide' aren't unhappy about 'divide'. Hands up if you're at all surprised by that revelation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
geared   302 #45 Posted July 12, 2018 Made possible by excellent public transport. If the work force in the north were more mobile through better transport (including roads) then there would be economic benefit for area.  but Northern Powerhouse??? and other political empty promises Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Staunton   18 #46 Posted July 12, 2018 At least the revenues allocated to local authorities are fairly distributed by central government aren't they? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #47 Posted July 12, 2018 I live in the south and believe me 'the north south divide' only exists in the north of England. Your average southerner is indifferent to this  Because of course it's not a problem to them, they dont lose out...?  They do whine like anything when I travel south for the week to work. Comments about me plucking their nest and taking it back to my cheap massive house in Yorkshire come thick and fast... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...