Ontarian1981   10 #145 Posted June 13, 2018 I’ve not read all the threads but I think the OP is seeking a reaction and he/she/it got one.  What’s good is some of the new stuff. But it’s poor for a city of its size. Way, way behind. It won’t catch up because locals see nothing wrong with it. That’s why it’s like it is. This thread is evidence of that.  I was the second poster to reply to the OP and told him/her that he/she was either a wind-up merchant or a sarcastic so and so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
pss60   10 #146 Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) Catch up with what?  Catch up with second from bottom of the eight core cities.  ---------- Post added 14-06-2018 at 07:55 ----------  I’ve not read all the threads but I think the OP is seeking a reaction and he/she/it got one.  What’s good is some of the new stuff. But it’s poor for a city of its size. Way, way behind. It won’t catch up because locals see nothing wrong with it. That’s why it’s like it is. This thread is evidence of that. Thats it. The Leeds GVA figure per head of population is more than £8,000 ahead of Sheffield's, Bristol's £11,000 ahead, and Manchester's a whopping £14,000 ahead. Edited June 14, 2018 by pss60 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #147 Posted June 14, 2018 I'm not sure why the economic output is what is being considered though. GVA doesn't determine how many museums your city centre has, or whether there are shops open on a weekday evening and people using the city centre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
pss60 Â Â 10 #148 Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) I'm not sure why the economic output is what is being considered though. GVA doesn't determine how many museums your city centre has, or whether there are shops open on a weekday evening and people using the city centre. It determines how many shops, bars, restaurants etc and the variety and price range. A city with a higher GVA per head of population will be more vibrant, be able to sustain shops like Harvey Nichols, restaurants like Gaucho https://www.gauchorestaurants.com/, Tattu http://tattu.co.uk/ etc, which certainly aren't cheap, bars like Neighbourhood https://www.neighbourhoodrestaurant.co.uk/. It is also a measure of economic activity and how many career opportunities there are and the type, and a city with a high GVA will raise the GVA of the surrounding area. It is an important measure. Whether these would open in Sheffield or not remains to be seen. Edited June 14, 2018 by pss60 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #149 Posted June 14, 2018 Is the relationship that simple? I'm sure there is a link, but GVA is not the same as disposable income or relative wealth (as the quote I made earlier points out).  ---------- Post added 14-06-2018 at 12:07 ----------  GDHI for Sheffield City Region £15,340 That's actually very comparable with the majority of the country outside the affluent South East+London.  ---------- Post added 14-06-2018 at 12:14 ----------  Interestingly, Manchester, which had one of the highest GVA values has one of the lowest GDHI values at £13,184. Leeds for 2016 £16814, Sheffield £15057. A measurable difference, but not as large as the GVA might have implied. For reference, Nottingham £12323, Liverpool £14538, York £18070...  So individuals wealth (as measured by disposable income) varies quite differently to the economic production of an area. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   594 #150 Posted June 14, 2018 Interestingly, Manchester, which had one of the highest GVA values has one of the lowest GDHI values at £13,184. Leeds for 2016 £16814, Sheffield £15057. A measurable difference, but not as large as the GVA might have implied. For reference, Nottingham £12323, Liverpool £14538, York £18070...  So individuals wealth (as measured by disposable income) varies quite differently to the economic production of an area.  That's only the figure for the City of Manchester though - all the other boroughs in Greater Manchester with the exception of Oldham are a good £2k pa higher - with Trafford nearer £6k higher and East Cheshire on the doorstep coming in at £22k pa.  Similarly the Nottingham figure excludes wealthier suburbs which come under Rushcliffe, Broxtowe and Gedling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B Â Â 1,401 #151 Posted June 14, 2018 DocFest on in Sheffield at the moment. Now in its 15th year. BBC Radio 4 were there reporting. ('The Film programme' 4.0pm) They were talking about an installation in Tudor Squuare; 'Hate and Hope.' Anybody see it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Ridgewalk   95 #152 Posted June 14, 2018 Lived here all my life, think its a dump, always have and will be out at the first opportunity.   You’ll be in for a shock then  ---------- Post added 14-06-2018 at 20:38 ----------  I’ve not read all the threads but I think the OP is seeking a reaction and he/she/it got one.  What’s good is some of the new stuff. But it’s poor for a city of its size. Way, way behind. It won’t catch up because locals see nothing wrong with it. That’s why it’s like it is. This thread is evidence of that.    Yes, catch up with what ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #153 Posted June 15, 2018 That's only the figure for the City of Manchester though - all the other boroughs in Greater Manchester with the exception of Oldham are a good £2k pa higher - with Trafford nearer £6k higher and East Cheshire on the doorstep coming in at £22k pa. Similarly the Nottingham figure excludes wealthier suburbs which come under Rushcliffe, Broxtowe and Gedling.  Well, yes, we were comparing the cities specifically. That's why I included only the figures for the cities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
pss60   10 #154 Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) You’ll be in for a shock then ---------- Post added 14-06-2018 at 20:38 ----------     Yes, catch up with what ? Catch up with second bottom of the core cities.  ---------- Post added 17-06-2018 at 11:21 ----------  That's only the figure for the City of Manchester though - all the other boroughs in Greater Manchester with the exception of Oldham are a good £2k pa higher - with Trafford nearer £6k higher and East Cheshire on the doorstep coming in at £22k pa. Similarly the Nottingham figure excludes wealthier suburbs which come under Rushcliffe, Broxtowe and Gedling. Besides, a fair number of people who work in Leeds, Nottingham and Manchester do live well outside those cities. There will be plenty who live in Harrogate and York who work in Leeds, and many of those who live in the Cheshire stockbroker belt work in Manchester, earning more that what they could if they worked where they live. Edited June 17, 2018 by pss60 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
FinBak   12 #155 Posted June 17, 2018 pss60.  Hmm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Calahonda   11 #156 Posted June 17, 2018 Catch up with second bottom of the core cities. ---------- Post added 17-06-2018 at 11:21 ----------  Besides, a fair number of people who work in Leeds, Nottingham and Manchester do live well outside those cities. There will be plenty who live in Harrogate and York who work in Leeds, and many of those who live in the Cheshire stockbroker belt work in Manchester, earning more that what they could if they worked where they live.  There’s a lot of money in the Peak District National Park, and the law of averages dictate that many of them must work in Sheffield. I’m driving out there every morning, as many quality cars are travelling in the direction of Sheffield. I’m thinking hospitals and universities, well if I worked at the Sheffield University or the Hallamshire, I wouldn’t be in a hurry to spend my leisure time in SCC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...