Stabbings in Sheffield May 2018

[Rhyno 10]

 

Come on Rhyno You know there is a massive difference

 

I know there is. I’m also horrified by the prevalence of young people carrying knives.

 

I was just pointing out how difficult it is to legislate about something as useful and common as a knife.

[realcockney 10]

we used to have the death penalty, did it stop murderers?

 

i am sure the murder rate has gone up since hanging was abolished?? it didn't stop it but it will reduce it as will a curb on immigration.

strong retribution is far more satisfying than pointless attempted rehabilitation?

[Cyclone 10]

i am sure the murder rate has gone up since hanging was abolished?? it didn't stop it but it will reduce it as will a curb on immigration.

strong retribution is far more satisfying than pointless attempted rehabilitation?

 

I am sure that the murder rate didn't change when capital punishment was abolished, nor does it show any difference in the US between states with and without capital punishment.

In fact there is no evidence that capital punishment is a deterrent to murder at all. So, no, it wouldn't reduce it in the slightest.

 

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You can even go back further. From 2001:

 

Police better off under the Tories

Police budgets are being slashed under Labour, with a study showing that Tony Blair has halved the annual increase to forces across England. Constabularies got twice as big a rise each year under John Major.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/apr/15/whitehall.westminsterandwhitehall

 

I thought I replied to this before, hmmm.

 

Halved the INCREASE, is quite different to making huge cuts.

[Halibut 12]

Longer, tougher sentences im afraid. That's the only way message will get through. Or 'may' get through. Its the only sensible, short term solution there is.

 

It's an idiotic solution that won't work.

Massive investment in services for young people, education and employment would be much more useful.

[ukdobby 223]

i am sure the murder rate has gone up since hanging was abolished?? it didn't stop it but it will reduce it as will a curb on immigration.

strong retribution is far more satisfying than pointless attempted rehabilitation?

 

It did go up from around 200 to over 600 @ one point.

[realcockney 10]

It's an idiotic solution that won't work.

Massive investment in services for young people, education and employment would be much more useful.

 

yes much better to pamper the poor dears as they have had such a deprived life and upbringing?? maybe send em on an expensive holiday to make them feel better, give them playstations etc etc, just like kids co? eh?ah no that didnt work very well did it. there is plenty of employment the kids just dont want it:rolleyes:

[redfox 10]

i am sure the murder rate has gone up since hanging was abolished?? it didn't stop it but it will reduce it as will a curb on immigration.

strong retribution is far more satisfying than pointless attempted rehabilitation?

 

 

The fact capital punishment is not available is zero deterrant - if you had met any people charged with such offences you would know the consequences of their actions - getting caught, prosecuted etc played no part in their actions -

 

I am not sure how a curb on immigration would reduce the murder rate - Harold Shipman was as english as they come and he accounted for around 250 victims -

 

You may feel satisfaction from retribution - fortunately there are plenty of others who have developed a little more from the cavemen we all used to be.

[realcockney 10]

The fact capital punishment is not available is zero deterrant - if you had met any people charged with such offences you would know the consequences of their actions - getting caught, prosecuted etc played no part in their actions -

 

I am not sure how a curb on immigration would reduce the murder rate - Harold Shipman was as english as they come and he accounted for around 250 victims -

 

You may feel satisfaction from retribution - fortunately there are plenty of others who have developed a little more from the cavemen we all used to be.

 

the fact its not available means nothing, i grant you some are committed in the heat of the moment and that you will never decrease, but the criminal element involved with drugs etc etc would decrease.

the figures bear out that more murders are committed by immigrants than nationals in the last 10-15 years look it up, google is your friend.

i think you will find there are way more in favour than you Lilly livered liberals:D

[redfox 10]

the fact its not available means nothing, i grant you some are committed in the heat of the moment and that you will never decrease, but the criminal element involved with drugs etc etc would decrease.

the figures bear out that more murders are committed by immigrants than nationals in the last 10-15 years look it up, google is your friend.

i think you will find there are way more in favour than you Lilly livered liberals:D

 

 

 

No - you make the statement - you supply the facts - ONS would be a good place to start - and don't forget to include Shipman and his 200 plus victims

[nikki-red 307]

If youre going to state things as facts, please also post links etc to back them up.

 

Thank you.

[Calahonda 11]

As I’ve posted previously, anyone who thinks that they have an answer to this disease would be well advised to let the police know of it, as they clearly don’t. I’m obviously not as intelligent as you guys, as I haven’t got a clue, even though I’ve been falsely accused of being a member of the ‘throw away the key’ brigade.

 

What is say, a 10 years sentence to a 15 year old? It probably keeps a killer safe from the victim’s family and fellow gang members. Would legalising the sale and possession of drugs from say, specialised pharmacies be the answer? All that I have is questions, I’m sure that the answers are out there, but answers usually follow questions.

[tinfoilhat 11]

the fact its not available means nothing, i grant you some are committed in the heat of the moment and that you will never decrease, but the criminal element involved with drugs etc etc would decrease.

the figures bear out that more murders are committed by immigrants than nationals in the last 10-15 years look it up, google is your friend.

i think you will find there are way more in favour than you Lilly livered liberals:D

 

That means America with its death penalty and crazy long prison sentenceshas a far lower murder rate than the UK then right?