As a Tory voter, are you offended by being called 'Gammon face'?

[Car Boot 10]

Because Jonny5 has a numeral in his username too, and he was beating up on me a bit. You can’t be any more racist over a numeral than you can by somebody getting flushed because they are angry. Ends there.

 

Its fascinating observing how you twist and squirm, tying yourself in rhetorical knots in a futile attempt to somehow convince yourself, and others, that using a pejorative term dripping with hatred to dehumanise a particular group based on their appearance isn't somehow racist. When it most certainly is.

 

The flaw in your argument is that it is not a group of people, but a small subset of middle aged people with anger management issues who choose to behave in undignified ways on national TV

 

So, according to your warped logic, its not even a group of people you are comparing to a dead pig? A subset is still part of a larger group. The larger group is all white people. The subset to which you refer, but refuse to acknowledge as being any sort of group, is specifically middle-aged white males.

 

You so desperately want to imagine this as socialists labelling the whole white middle aged population of places like Mansfield or Hartlepool as gammons. But nobody has ever even said that, or anything remotely like it.

 

A question for you: what’s the record height of a straw man?

 

You must have the world record by now with the one you are building.

 

You have accused other contributors to this discussion as being 'desperate'. That's unfortunate. I suspect you know in your heart that you are defending the indefensible and are appearing increasingly desperate and unstable in doing so.

 

Time to give it up.

[mossdog 10]

Its fascinating observing how you twist and squirm, tying yourself in rhetorical knots in a futile attempt to somehow convince yourself, and others, that using a pejorative term dripping with hatred to dehumanise a particular group based on their appearance isn't somehow racist. When it most certainly is.

 

 

 

So, according to your warped logic, its not even a group of people you are comparing to a dead pig? A subset is still part of a larger group. The larger group is all white people. The subset to which you refer, but refuse to acknowledge as being any sort of group, is specifically middle-aged white males.

 

 

 

You have accused other contributors to this discussion as being 'desperate'. That's unfortunate. I suspect you know in your heart that you are defending the indefensible and are appearing increasingly desperate and unstable in doing so.

 

Time to give it up.

.....you know the saying!.......'there's no joy in Socialism!'.........more a deep seated sense of failure and anger!

[I1L2T3 10]

I've been informed in this thread that this small subset concerns "middle aged white men" specifically. Since this discrimination is based on skin colour (or ethnicity, to be precise) it sounds pretty racist, by definition

 

Middle aged angry men are not a separate race.

 

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Its fascinating observing how you twist and squirm, tying yourself in rhetorical knots in a futile attempt to somehow convince yourself, and others, that using a pejorative term dripping with hatred to dehumanise a particular group based on their appearance isn't somehow racist. When it most certainly is.

 

 

 

So, according to your warped logic, its not even a group of people you are comparing to a dead pig? A subset is still part of a larger group. The larger group is all white people. The subset to which you refer, but refuse to acknowledge as being any sort of group, is specifically middle-aged white males.

 

 

 

You have accused other contributors to this discussion as being 'desperate'. That's unfortunate. I suspect you know in your heart that you are defending the indefensible and are appearing increasingly desperate and unstable in doing so.

 

Time to give it up.

 

Give what up.

 

It’s quite simply not racist.

 

There’s nothing futile about it. Except for you I guess.

 

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.....you know the saying!.......'there's no joy in Socialism!'.........more a deep seated sense of failure and anger!

 

 

You could not be more wrong. I’m not even a socialist.

[hackey lad 3,980]

Middle aged angry men are not a separate race.

 

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Give what up.

 

It’s quite simply not racist.

 

There’s nothing futile about it. Except for you I guess.

 

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You could not be more wrong. I’m not even a socialist.

 

Nah then ,laughing boy . Any chance of an answer to my questions about why I am getting desperate ?

[ENG601PM 10]

 

You could not be more wrong. I’m not even a socialist.

 

I'll give you that. The Green Party is more communist than socialist. I've read the manifesto thanks.

[Mister M 1,625]

...........

[I1L2T3 10]

Nah then ,laughing boy . Any chance of an answer to my questions about why I am getting desperate ?

 

My bet is You’re getting desperate because you can’t make the racism angle stick

 

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I'll give you that. The Green Party is more communist than socialist. I've read the manifesto thanks.

 

That complete nonsense.

 

Wow

[ENG601PM 10]

 

That complete nonsense.

 

Wow

 

You should read the manifesto. Surely you are aware of the Green's outright Marxism because it's very transparent. You're not fooling me with your yogurt trouser disguise

[hackey lad 3,980]

My bet is You’re getting desperate because you can’t make the racism angle stick

 

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That complete nonsense.

 

Wow

 

You would lose your bet . If you actually took time to read posts and not jump to conclusions , you would see I have already stated I couldn't care less about this silly name . Back to your agenda

[Car Boot 10]

Middle aged angry men are not a separate race.

 

A separate race from what?

 

Why can you not bring yourself to admit that the 'gammon' racial slur refers to middle-aged WHITE men? Do you think that by not mentioning this very relevant fact there can be no racist motive in the insult?

 

Owen Jones, the Guardian columnist, has readily admitted that the target of this insult is middle-aged WHITE men. But he believes, naively, that white people mocking other white people over their skin colour cannot be racist. Somebody else who has never heard of internalised racism.

 

You refuse to even accept that the insult is anything to do with skin colour. As such, you prove beyond reasonable doubt that you simply don't live in the real world.

[Halibut 12]

A separate race from what?

 

Why can you not bring yourself to admit that the 'gammon' racial slur refers to middle-aged WHITE men? Do you think that by not mentioning this very relevant fact there can be no racist motive in the insult?

 

Owen Jones, the Guardian columnist, has readily admitted that the target of this insult is middle-aged WHITE men. But he believes, naively, that white people mocking other white people over their skin colour cannot be racist. Somebody else who has never heard of internalised racism.

 

You refuse to even accept that the insult is anything to do with skin colour. As such, you prove beyond reasonable doubt that you simply don't live in the real world.

 

Imagine all the good you could do if you channeled all your faux outrage about non existent racism (gammon) into protesting about something real, like actual racism, or violence against women or social inequality.

 

It's faintly touching that you feel the need to invent racism as an excuse to jump to the defence of a bunch of well fed, comfortably off, middle aged Daily Mail reading types, but they can probably cope quite well without you.

[hackey lad 3,980]

Imagine all the good you could do if you channeled all your faux outrage about non existent racism (gammon) into protesting about something real, like actual racism, or violence against women or social inequality.

 

It's faintly touching that you feel the need to invent racism as an excuse to jump to the defence of a bunch of well fed, comfortably off, middle aged Daily Mail reading types, but they can probably cope quite well without you.

 

Stereotyping again