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I think you may find insurance companies take a slightly different view when allocating blame. In any case, being in the right is on no consequence when your 6ft under. Filtering is most definitely done at your own risk, regardless of blame.

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On Monday there was is a 1/2 mile queue from Brookhill Roundabout up past commonside. It was a little longer than normal but not unusual for the time of year.

 

 

I'm on my bike heading inbound,

 

so do I queue with the cars breathing in all the noxious stuff they are inflicting on themselves and lose 10-15 minutes out of a 35-minute ride? If so I may as well drive to work

 

do I use the pavement (clearly a non-starter)

 

do I filter with care down the LHS looking out for pedestrian and passengers opening up doors and the odd driver who thinks its funny to pull across and deliberately block you

 

do I go on the RHS and take a chance with the PTWs doing the same overtake?

 

I normally take the last option.

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On Monday there was is a 1/2 mile queue from Brookhill Roundabout up past commonside. It was a little longer than normal but not unusual for the time of year.

 

 

I'm on my bike heading inbound,

 

so do I queue with the cars breathing in all the noxious stuff they are inflicting on themselves and lose 10-15 minutes out of a 35-minute ride? If so I may as well drive to work

 

do I use the pavement (clearly a non-starter)

 

do I filter with care down the LHS looking out for pedestrian and passengers opening up doors and the odd driver who thinks its funny to pull across and deliberately block you

 

do I go on the RHS and take a chance with the PTWs doing the same overtake?

 

I normally take the last option.

 

As tempting as it is to filter down the left side, I always try to do it on the right hand side, as overtaking is usually done on the right. I do it with extra care though, as you never know if a car is going to suddenly do a U-turn, or pull out. You have to expect that non of the motorists have seen you.

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I think you may find insurance companies take a slightly different view when allocating blame. In any case, being in the right is on no consequence when your 6ft under. Filtering is most definitely done at your own risk, regardless of blame.

 

I never said otherwise.

Insurance companies are notorious for just going 50/50 if they get the chance. I've heard stories of people who've been t-boned from a side junction and they have to argue with the insurance company not to go 50/50.

 

But you said "cars aren't expecting you to come up alongside them".

They should be, the highway code makes it very clear.

So if they aren't, then those people are bad drivers. And then you talked about the blame, not insurance. NO, the filtering rider doesn't have to accept the blame, unless they did something specifically wrong, which filtering is not.

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Filtering is something that is done at the riders risk. Whilst a car shouldn’t manoeuvre unless it’s safe to do so, as a cyclist you have to accept and expect that they might not have seen you.

 

Filtering at anything other than a safe speed where you can stop safely, will make you partly blameworthy. It’s not a case of ‘im In the right so I’m ok’. You can be fully ‘in the right’ but find yourself in the back of an ambulance or hearse.

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Filtering is something that is done at the riders risk. Whilst a car shouldn’t manoeuvre unless it’s safe to do so, as a cyclist you have to accept and expect that they might not have seen you.

 

Filtering at anything other than a safe speed where you can stop safely, will make you partly blameworthy. It’s not a case of ‘im In the right so I’m ok’. You can be fully ‘in the right’ but find yourself in the back of an ambulance or hearse.

 

Try reading Davis vs Shrogin where it is held that slow speed filtering is not at the riders sole risk.

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Filtering is something that is done at the riders risk. Whilst a car shouldn’t manoeuvre unless it’s safe to do so, as a cyclist you have to accept and expect that they might not have seen you.

Simply not true.

Obviously as a cyclist I spend most of my time assuming that cars haven't seen me. But that won't somehow make me to blame which is what you claimed.

 

Filtering at anything other than a safe speed where you can stop safely, will make you partly blameworthy. It’s not a case of ‘im In the right so I’m ok’. You can be fully ‘in the right’ but find yourself in the back of an ambulance or hearse.

 

Filtering at high speed (not really possible on a cycle) would be irresponsible. But if someone pulls out on you without looking then they are ENTIRELY to blame, unless you're going so fast that you could have been out of sight when they looked.

And again, I never claimed that being in the right will protect you from injury.

You however didn't make a statement about injury, you made a statement about blame and claimed that bikes (cycle/motor) would share responsibility if filtering. This is NOT true.

If theres an accident while filtering then the biker has to accept part of the blame, even if done correctly.

That is untrue. Wrong. Not the case. Incorrect.

 

CGKSheff agreed with you, but hasn't responded since the highway code rule covering the issue was posted.

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On Monday there was is a 1/2 mile queue from Brookhill Roundabout up past commonside. It was a little longer than normal but not unusual for the time of year.

 

i don't doubt it.

 

the queue often stretches 700m back to beanies. Given that a ford focus is 4.5m long, that's a queue with 120 cars in it, maybe less.

 

let's be gracious, and say that means 150 people. That's a half-mile queue, with a 150 people in it.

 

so much space, and disruption, caused by 150 people. Cars are great, they really are. but we simply haven't got the space for everyone to drive everywhere.

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Simply not true.

Obviously as a cyclist I spend most of my time assuming that cars haven't seen me. But that won't somehow make me to blame which is what you claimed.

 

 

Filtering at high speed (not really possible on a cycle) would be irresponsible. But if someone pulls out on you without looking then they are ENTIRELY to blame, unless you're going so fast that you could have been out of sight when they looked.

And again, I never claimed that being in the right will protect you from injury.

You however didn't make a statement about injury, you made a statement about blame and claimed that bikes (cycle/motor) would share responsibility if filtering. This is NOT true.

 

That is untrue. Wrong. Not the case. Incorrect.

 

CGKSheff agreed with you, but hasn't responded since the highway code rule covering the issue was posted.

 

Nothing in the highway code says that filtering by cyclists alongside a car that is occupying a lane is legal.

What it does do is advise drivers to watch out for this hazardous activity.

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and if it was illegal, there'd be a rule in the highway code about it.

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i don't doubt it.

 

the queue often stretches 700m back to beanies. Given that a ford focus is 4.5m long, that's a queue with 120 cars in it, maybe less.

 

let's be gracious, and say that means 150 people. That's a half-mile queue, with a 150 people in it.

 

so much space, and disruption, caused by 150 people. Cars are great, they really are. but we simply haven't got the space for everyone to drive everywhere.

 

How else can people get to work. Buses aren't an option for me as they don't operate at the times I need to get to work, or get back home. Busses don't necessarily go where people need to be.

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If only there was a cheap, easy, clean, healthy, high-capacity mode of travel that people could use to travel a few miles...

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