Sheffield train electrification cancellation hidden by tories.

[truman 10]

They'd be a lot more use than HS2 which is going to be hugely expensive, out of date before it even gets started, and merely shaves a few minutes off a trip to London.

 

 

It doesn't just do that though...it increases available capacity .....

[Guest busdriver1]

 

 

Favouring the South East over everybody else isn't a non-story, when for every pound per head invested in transport up here, it's £5 or more per head down there.

 

And what is the population of the travel to work area of the South East compared to Yorkshire? Let me have a guess, about 7 times the size. Looks to me like they are getting a rough deal.

[pss60 10]

Based on what evidence??

 

Labour have just as much record of making great pledges on infrastructure investments and then doing u-turns so big you can see them from space during their term in office. Also, out of curiosity, where exactly will they get the money from to do it?? Abbott the Abacus going to do some sums no doubt to make it look perfect.

Few things could be worse than spending five years promising electrification all the way to Sheffield and letting people believe it, only to take it away, and do it three months before the General Election, keep it a secret, then drop the bombshell one month after it. There ought to be an awful lot of resentful people in South Yorkshire and the East Midlands, especially in the marginals which that line passes through. Or is it fine by you to tell a pack of lies and deceive the electorate for a five full years?

 

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And what is the population of the travel to work area of the South East compared to Yorkshire? Let me have a guess, about 7 times the size. Looks to me like they are getting a rough deal.

 

Oh dear, you're just the sort of cap doffer I was talking about. Its not just Yorkshire that's getting a raw deal - its the rest of the country. The figure is at least five times as much down there per head of population as up here. Now suppose there are seven times as many people down there as up here (which there aren't) - it would amount to 35 times as much spent down there.

Edited April 1, 2018 by pss60

[Guest busdriver1]

 

Oh dear, you're just the sort of cap doffer I was talking about.

 

Lose the point so attack the poster, how very SF

[pss60 10]

Lose the point so attack the poster, how very SF

 

I haven't lost the point. It is clearly fine by you for South Yorkshire to be treated as a second class outpost and be denied Midland Mainline electrification after being promised it for five years, and for a Government to delay announcing the scrapping of electrification until after the General Election, when they knew for three months before Polling Day that they were going to can it.

[Guest busdriver1]

I haven't lost the point. It is clearly fine by you for South Yorkshire to be treated as a second class outpost and be denied Midland Mainline electrification after being promised it for five years, and for a Government to delay announcing the scrapping of electrification until after the General Election, when they knew for three months before Polling Day that they were going to can it.

 

And what does that prove. Loads of bad news gets buried before elections by all parties. The fact that the probable lower spend per head of population in the South East does not sit well with your agenda is the only clear point you have made.

[ECCOnoob 1,017]

Few things could be worse than spending five years promising electrification all the way to Sheffield and letting people believe it, only to take it away, and do it three months before the General Election, keep it a secret, then drop the bombshell one month after it. There ought to be an awful lot of resentful people in South Yorkshire and the East Midlands, especially in the marginals which that line passes through. Or is it fine by you to tell a pack of lies and deceive the electorate for a five full years?

 

That is not what I asked and you know it.

 

If you are going to make some submissions have some guts to back them up. You dont just change the subject and try to desprately move on.

 

Remember what you boldly claimed:

 

Electrification will only get back on the drawing board if the Tories get removed from office.

 

Now, would you like to have another go at actually answering the question and providing some evidence to support your submission.

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

Well it should do, as the Railways are a transit system that is faster than road travel for longer distances. If the railways are improved there will be less traffic on the roads and you will be affected by a reduction in congestion.

 

Good post, I'll go with that idea, owt that reduces congestion on the roads is a decent idea.

 

Angel1

[Guest makapaka]

Yeah, because it was boom time during the 12 years of Labour wasnt it......

 

Face facts. Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire never gets anything because backward thinking inbreads try to thwart it at every opportunity. Just like they have done for decades before in our cessspit of a council chamber. Until people stop harking back to the so called glory days of the 70s, stop blaming the long dead Thatcher for every single failure in their lives, stop constantly wittering on about how we never have it as good as Leeds or Manchester and actually do something to get this city moving on its own two feet, NOTHING will change.

 

The stock cop out response of "Blame the Tories" just doesnt cut it.

 

Neither does the stock cop out response that we are a socialist republic stuck in the 1970s

[Annie Bynnol 611]

That is not what I asked and you know it.

 

If you are going to make some submissions have some guts to back them up. You dont just change the subject and try to desprately move on.

 

Remember what you boldly claimed:

 

 

 

Now, would you like to have another go at actually answering the question and providing some evidence to support your submission.

 

The NAO clearly reports that the Treasury (Tory) told the Department of Transport (Tory) that they had to reduce the spending on the confirmed projects in the current financial plan (CP5 and CP6). They did not tell the DfT what to cut.

Therefore any decision made by the Conservative Minister would have been unpopular.

Therefore it became a political decision:

a) as to which planned projects were stopped and

b) not to tell Parliament or the Public until after the General Election.

 

The NAO point is that the MML decision was flawed on technical grounds.

Costing of untried technology is misleading.

Delay in reporting to Parliament is was influenced by the timing of the election.

In addition the timing of these decisions will have affected the facts used to determine that the HS2 route change was cost effective.

 

This mess puts Sheffield at an even bigger disadvantage to Manchester and Leeds in creating growth.

[pss60 10]

That is not what I asked and you know it.

 

If you are going to make some submissions have some guts to back them up. You dont just change the subject and try to desprately move on.

 

Remember what you boldly claimed:

 

 

 

Now, would you like to have another go at actually answering the question and providing some evidence to support your submission.

Sheffield has been shafted big time here, and you're not bothered. Another cap doffer endorsing this outrageous snub.

[ECCOnoob 1,017]

Point noted.

 

Thank you for confirming that you dont have anything to back up your submissions. I am not prepared to waste any more time on you.