paula4sheff   10 #13 Posted March 28, 2018 It's up to the point where I don't know who was driving the car at the moment of the ticker being issued as it was 4 months ago and they didn't even send me a copy of the camera taking the picture of the person who was driving it. The car is a company car and also being used be few members of the family, so after 4 months it's hard to remember or to investigate who was behind the wheel on that date and particularly at that time. Since the car is registered under my name that's why I know at the end it's gonna be me who will receive the ticket. I'm not trying to get away with anything, I just want to ask if I have any rights to defend my self. I can't believe who you people are so easy to throw rocks at people, when probably most of you is doing some speeding at some point in your day/week/month.  So what? Most people if they're caught speeding accept they got rumbled and pay the fine! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
barleycorn   10 #14 Posted March 28, 2018 As previously stated register at pepipo and start a thread in the appropriate section giving all the details they require in the requested format. Ultimately you need a copy of the photo taken so you can ascertain who was driving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
barleycorn   10 #15 Posted March 28, 2018 So what? Most people if they're caught speeding accept they got rumbled and pay the fine! Did you even read the post you quoted? The OP doesn't know who was driving at the time as it was four months ago and several people have access to the car. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
rudds1 Â Â 102 #16 Posted March 28, 2018 If the op had put its is a company car which several people drive perhaps it would have made it clear what they were complaining about but in the opening post it's written like they were driving car themselves and had done the speeding Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #17 Posted March 28, 2018 What advice do you want? You got a speeding ticket for speeding, you asked the police, they said you had to pay it, and gave you the reason why. They're hardly impartial in this case though are they.  I'm not sure what advice anyone could offer other than - tough luck, pay it really!  You've already disputed it- and were out of luck. Just accept it and pay up!  That isn't disputing it at all, it's just asking for informal advice from some people who don't actually know the law and aren't impartial.  That said, I doubt it can be disputed, and filling in the first form to state who is driving is a legal requirement anyway, not filling that in is itself illegal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
paula4sheff   10 #18 Posted March 28, 2018 They're hardly impartial in this case though are they. That isn't disputing it at all, it's just asking for informal advice from some people who don't actually know the law and aren't impartial.  That said, I doubt it can be disputed, and filling in the first form to state who is driving is a legal requirement anyway, not filling that in is itself illegal.  All fair points. He could find himself in a lot more trouble.  I'm not sure Sheffield Forum is the best place to come for legal advice though! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
jackanne   10 #19 Posted March 28, 2018 I think your main mistake is putting anything on here and expecting to get any sensible advise and not receive any abuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Vaati   11 #20 Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) Removed the bickering and snipes. Also any further personal comments or snipes will get your account suspended. Edited March 28, 2018 by Groose Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
willman   10 #21 Posted March 28, 2018 It's up to the point where I don't know who was driving the car at the moment of the ticker being issued as it was 4 months ago and they didn't even send me a copy of the camera taking the picture of the person who was driving it. The car is a company car and also being used be few members of the family, so after 4 months it's hard to remember or to investigate who was behind the wheel on that date and particularly at that time. Since the car is registered under my name that's why I know at the end it's gonna be me who will receive the ticket. I'm not trying to get away with anything, I just want to ask if I have any rights to defend my self. I can't believe who you people are so easy to throw rocks at people, when probably most of you is doing some speeding at some point in your day/week/month.  You should have the opportunity on the notice to tell them who was driving and provide proof of it.You get 28 days from receipt. Not knowing who was driving is no longer a valid excuse.  The long and the short(from my experience) you'll get the ticket. It could be compounded if you refuse to disclose or try to hide who was driving. I knew i wasn't driving my company car at the time of my ticket but by the time it arrived(4-5 weeks) i had left the company and my boss denied being in the car in Norwich with me.I defended myself in court in Norwich but had to take the hit - the points allocation is higher (was 6 i think) for non disclosure with no allowances. It is the legal duty of the registered keeper to update DVLA - the police can come at you as the registered keeper for that offence as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mattcbr   10 #22 Posted March 28, 2018 OK, since the topic cooled down I just wanted to ask if there is any way I can get away with the 3 points? I'm fine with paying the fine as the car is registered under my name, I made a mistake by not making records on who is driving the car (even if the drivers can swap the car between them self every 15-20min) and is there a way I can receive only the £100 fine? I've already send a letter to the police station providing all the information that I've provided here, without filling in the drivers details form (simply because I don't know). P.S. already registered at pepipoo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
monkey104   10 #23 Posted March 28, 2018 It's up to the point where I don't know who was driving the car at the moment of the ticker being issued as it was 4 months ago and they didn't even send me a copy of the camera taking the picture of the person who was driving it. The car is a company car and also being used be few members of the family, so after 4 months it's hard to remember or to investigate who was behind the wheel on that date and particularly at that time. Since the car is registered under my name that's why I know at the end it's gonna be me who will receive the ticket. I'm not trying to get away with anything, I just want to ask if I have any rights to defend my self. I can't believe who you people are so easy to throw rocks at people, when probably most of you is doing some speeding at some point in your day/week/month.  Mattcbr, you should have received a notice of intended prosecution which would have also requested that the registered keeper provide the details of the driver at the time of the offence. Having said that there is no obligation for them to request it. The next step is for the central ticket office to raise a file with the evidence which then creates a court date and summons. The summons is then sent to the registered keeper, you. You can request a copy of the photo which may give you a better idea of who was driving, however if it does not clearly show who was driving you are going to need some pretty convincing evidence to persuade a court that you do not know who was driving. IMHO if it was me with no points and it is not too late I would pay up and take the option of attending a speed awareness court in lieu of points. Cos even if you think you are right and you think the law is on your side it is still pretty stressful going to court to defend yourself All of us who drive have an unthinking moment now and again, none of us are perfect. Good luck whichever way you decide  ---------- Post added 28-03-2018 at 16:35 ----------  OK, since the topic cooled down I just wanted to ask if there is any way I can get away with the 3 points? I'm fine with paying the fine as the car is registered under my name, I made a mistake by not making records on who is driving the car (even if the drivers can swap the car between them self every 15-20min) and is there a way I can receive only the £100 fine? I've already send a letter to the police station providing all the information that I've provided here, without filling in the drivers details form (simply because I don't know). P.S. already registered at pepipoo.  Matt, Just replied as same time. You should return the paperwork and you will be sent a conditional offer. This should include a fine and speed awareness course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mattcbr   10 #24 Posted March 28, 2018 Mattcbr, you should have received a notice of intended prosecution which would have also requested that the registered keeper provide the details of the driver at the time of the offence. Having said that there is no obligation for them to request it. The next step is for the central ticket office to raise a file with the evidence which then creates a court date and summons. The summons is then sent to the registered keeper, you. You can request a copy of the photo which may give you a better idea of who was driving, however if it does not clearly show who was driving you are going to need some pretty convincing evidence to persuade a court that you do not know who was driving. IMHO if it was me with no points and it is not too late I would pay up and take the option of attending a speed awareness court in lieu of points. Cos even if you think you are right and you think the law is on your side it is still pretty stressful going to court to defend yourself All of us who drive have an unthinking moment now and again, none of us are perfect. Good luck whichever way you decide  Thanks, for your constructive reply. I understand where are you coming from with the court being a stressful situation etc, but isn't it about what people should do? Because if we all go the way "Ehh, it's too much stress and I'm not bother, better pay off the fine and watch some Jeremy Kyle instead" wont the law be upon us? As they will know that they can do whatever they want with us cause we all pay as we don't give a fuss about going to the court. Maybe it's just my point of view, but I don't like who the public service is making mistakes, tell you to pay something you shouldn't (not especially THIS case) because they know that we are getting weak.  I'm trying to find on my V5C where is the date showing up that DVLA registered me as the owner - can anybody help where to look for it? Like I said, I'm fine to pay the £100 but not fine with the 3 points. Ta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...